“You don’t become a Founder to gain balance in your life”   In our fourth episode of Heart to Smart, we are joined by Sebastian Robertson, founder and former CEO, Director and Chair of batyr and Samantha Payne, the first CEO and co-founder of The Pink Elephants Support Network. Seb and Sam established their organisations as a result of their own lived experience and the need to help fix the gaps in their respective systems. In this episode, we hear the honest perspectives of these two founders on the challenges they’ve faced, including the continual battle experienced when the founder’s identity is tied in with the organisation. Seb and Sam also take us through what they have been able to achieve, their long lasting impact on people in society while in the job and what to do when you decide to leave the organisation you created.   Check out this episode on:Spotify: https://bit.ly/3MhkvWGApple Podcasts: https://lnkd.in/gzeu94N2Amazon Music: https://amzn.to/3YVzMUu   This episode contains sensitive topics, including miscarriage, loss of a child and mental health struggles. Please proceed with caution and prioritise your wellbeing. If you need support, please visit batyr or The Pink Elephants Support Network for more resources. If someone you know has attempted, or is at immediate risk of attempting to harm themselves or someone else, call Triple Zero (000) immediately.