In this episode, Sean and Catherine discuss their recent experience as subcontractors, exploring the pros and cons of this role in the construction industry. They delve into the illusion of freedom that comes with business ownership, the emotional cycles that business owners experience, and the importance of maintaining good relationships with general contractors. The conversation emphasizes the need for organization, community support, and gratitude practices to navigate the challenges of entrepreneurship. Ultimately, they encourage listeners to embrace the highs and lows of business ownership and to seek help when needed.