Today we talk with Mike Patterson, a deeply accomplished residential contractor for over 25 years. We touch on the differences between building in your head and building with your hands, problem solving in general, the trades as opposed to art, the joys of getting lost in work, the joy of learning something new, and moments of finding life itself in a project. You'll also encounter Dunning Kruger, and the confidence of predicting results as an expert, on listening to the universe about what you're good at, and the two worlds of blue and white collar, and what the little hands in our brains make of it all.