In episode three of Hacker Valley Red, Chris and Ron are joined by Deviant Ollam, a hacker to the bone and one of Chris’ inspirations in security. Deviant is currently a physical penetration specialist with The CORE Group and the Director of Education for Red Team Alliance. He is also a master lock-picker and uses his skill to shape the future of physical security. The three discuss very important topics, such as the hacker’s mindset, what we can do to foster growth in the next generation of cyber professionals and how physical security is changing.   Key Takeaways: 03:32 Bio 05:30 Developing the hacker’s mindset 08:40 Hacking in the past vs. the present 11:05 Bringing creativity and freedom back to kids, ultimately freeing adults 17:00 Impactful tinkering 21:39 The difference in the means to get to the end 25:28 Progress in physical security 27:17 Staying ahead of criminal tactics and mindset 31:35 Advice for people who need to fail up 34:57 Get in touch   Links:   Hacker Valley Studio: Swag | LinkedIn | Twitter | Instagram | Email Ron & Chris | Website  Deviant Ollam: Website | Youtube | Twitter Support Hacker Valley Studio on Patreon Join our monthly mastermind group via Patreon Hacker Valley Red is proudly presented by Axonius