Outbound Isn’t Dead, But It’s 10x Harder with Todd Busler

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GTM News Desk

Mark Kilens and Rachel Elsts Downey

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Welcome to GTM News Desk, the podcast where Mark Kilens and Rachel Elsts Downey bring you real talk backed by real action. Twice a month, we cut through the noise to deliver the essential resources, news, and expert takes you need to create impactful, People-first GTM motions. From trending topics to clickbait headlines, we sift through the clutter to highlight what truly matters in the world of B2B Go-to-Market. With nearly 25 years of combined experience working with top B2B brands like Drift and HubSpot, we’re sharing our insights and advice to help you navigate the best (and worst) GTM strategies. Whether you’re a startup founder or a CMO, tune in to GTM News Desk for analysis, candid discussions, and actionable tips that prioritize people and drive real results.

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Outbound Isn’t Dead, But It’s 10x Harder with Todd Busler

GTM News Desk

37 minutes

3 months ago

Outbound Isn’t Dead, But It’s 10x Harder with Todd Busler

What’s behind the rise of acronyms like CBM?

Is “Vibe Growth Marketing Manager” even a real job?

What does it take to build a pipeline through genuine relationships instead of volume?

Those are the three big topics we’re covering in this episode of GTM News Desk. Todd Busler, CEO and co-founder of Champify, joins us to share why contact-level data is changing how marketers operate, what it really means for outbound to be ten times harder, and why the best GTM teams emphasize specificity, relationships, and long-term trust.

Jump into the action:

(00:00) Welcome to GTM News Desk
(03:08) What contact-based marketing is really trying to fix

(09:50) Should marketers actually chase the “vibe” in GTM?

(16:08) Todd Busler on scaling sales from Heap to Champify

(19:27) Outbound is 10x harder in 2025

(23:14) Three outbound tactics that outperform generic cadences

(27:50) How to turn past users into future champions

(34:30) Uniting sales and marketing under a smarter outbound motion

Our sources from today’s headlines:

Another Annoying Acronym: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/joshuaperk_matt-bilotti-was-the-reason-vector-took-off-activity-7338179219731980291-LWaF?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAAFemkUB1QHA4V_1UyGT2RF53rLzjQQoH20
Vibe Growth Marketing Manager – new GTM role or 2025 AI-fueled fever dream?: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tadavidson41_i-cant-tell-if-the-ramp-hiring-crew-is-just-activity-7338353287051603968-RXnX?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAABQUL_EB4SQeMltsv6dKesrVkIS0h_7YYQU

To hear Todd’s perspective on first-party signals, relationship-driven plays, and why the messenger matters more than the message, check out the extended conversation on TACK Insider: https://tackinsider.com/

Connect with Todd Busler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-busler/

Check out Todd’s podcast Cracking Outbound: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cracking-outbound/id1803014111

Produced in partnership with: https://shareyourgenius.com/