Rick Thames was 26 years old and a new reporter for the Fayetteville Observer when he moved to Raleigh in the summer of 1979 to cover the Jeffrey MacDonald murder trial.

Now, after a remarkable career in journalism, including stops as Editor at the Wichita Eagle and the Charlotte Observer, Rick sits down with me to recall those weeks that summer when he had a front row seat for the murder trial of Jeffrey MacDonald.

He remembers it all, saying the moment the jury announced their verdict of guilty was one of the most explosive moments he had ever seen.

Rick tells his thoughts about the trial, the evidence and the very questions he asked MacDonald one day at lunch that summer.