Tik Tok and data acquisition, scary topics on China up ahead. Michael Krasny featured leading Sinologist Orville Schell and began by asking Schell for his response to the Trump administration's imposed tariffs and their potential effects on a possible trade war, fentanyl out of China and U.S. China relations. Schell spoke of Xi Jinping's irrational actions and what appears to bind him and Putin together and Krasny asked Schell if he foresaw a role for Beijing brokering a peace between Russia and Ukraine. Krasny then proceeded to ask Schell about Tik Tok, data acquisition by China, Chinese surveillance and the AI race and Schell spoke of what he called "unequal relationships."

Krasny asked Schell about China's persecution of the Uyghurs and whether it can be labeled as genocide. A subsequent listener question brought up population growth in China and what its effects are likely to be on the country's economic future. Schell addressed the question by speaking of China's internal labor shortage and its policy of not taking in immigrants, which he called a time bomb. Krasny then asked Schell to talk about soft power and Chinese projects in developing and third world nations as well as what profits accrued to U.S. politicians or Elon Musk via China.

A discussion followed centering on the EV market in China and globally and on Teslas and the presence of Apple in China. China's ongoing role as a major market and geopolitical force then followed. Krasny wanted to know from Schell how much of a threat China posed and the status of ongoing tensions with Japan. The two spoke of long-term China grievances and grudges.

After this decidedly rich and wide ranging discussion Krasny asked Schell about his recently published novel My Old Home, thirty-five years in the making, which centers on music and the cultural revolution. The two then wound up discussing the ongoing effects of the cultural revolution and China's leader Xi Jinping.