This is an exciting episode with a very close colleague of mine at UCL, Julia Kreienkamp at the Global Governance Institute (GGI). We have the unique connection of having the same two bosses (and the three of them published an important book on climate governance)! GGI is truly a great place to research, work, and connect with policy-makers, academics, and business leaders. It also has its own podcast, found here. She discusses details about biodiversity and climate change, and looking for nature-based solutions (e.g. not “technological fixes”, on their own), as well as the spiritual values of creating a biodiverse society—the bio-economy—which is still not valued in standard economic measures such as GDP.