This is the second and last episode of my interview with Sarah Chayes, award-winning international  journalist, author and former advisor to the US Joint Chiefs of Staff,  Admiral Mike Mullen. Our discussion revolved around a core question: Is corruption the most important issue of our time? Can anyone hope to  tackle any other global problem – be it climate change, migration,  security, wealth inequality – without addressing grand fraud and  corruption first?

Sarah’s article mentioned in this episode can be found here:

· https://aeon.co/essays/corruption-has-shaped-history-why-do-we-still-ignore-it

Sarah’s books mentioned in this episode can be found here:

· Thieves of State (2015): https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25622863-thieves-of-state

· On Corruption in America (2020): https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/585789/on-corruption-in-america-by-sarah-chayes/

Direct support for this podcast comes from Nemexis GmbH, a corporate crime investigations company based in Berlin, Germany (nemexis.de).

Your host is Paul Milata, CFE, PhD. You can reach him at grandfraud@nemexis.de

Views expressed by podcast guests are their own and not the view of The Grand Fraud Podcast, Paul Milata or Nemexis GmbH.