This episode features a discussion between David Nabarro, Co-Director of the Institute of Global Health Innovation at Imperial College London and Special Envoy of WHO Director General on COVID-19 and Ilona Kickbusch, founding Director and Chair of the Global Health Centre at the Graduate Institute, Geneva. The COVID-19 pandemic reveals that our food systems are not working properly; food supplies are damaged, strong challenges face both consumers and producers, and food systems are simply not able to respond to a sudden increase in hunger. David Nabarro argues that we need to learn to become systems thinkers to establish a pathway to sustainable food systems. That was David Nabarro and Ilona Kickbusch discussing the future of food systems in light of the COVID-19 pandemic.