Attorney-turned-nonprofiteer Michael Le is a delightful human. The kind you simply enjoy getting to know. The kind who believes in building “empathy muscle” by planting himself in the mission work… whether or not that work appears on his job description, which we talked about, and more. Along the way we dive into — Taking big swings in our nonprofit work Smashing nonprofit complacency by dreaming The power of executives checking in on one another And one wish Michael would make to improve the social sector It’s practical, it’s honest, and (as always) there’s good nonsense along the way. If you know a nonprofiteer we should invite on the show, let us know at hello@goodnonsense.org! Mentioned on this episode: Social Impact Staff Retention projectPDS Health Foundation’s InstagramMichael’s LinkedInThe ProImpact Project (connecting executive directors)