As you probably noticed, this is an unscheduled episode. Before she took off for an enchanted vacation in Ireland, Mal and I had the opportunity to talk to Chrissy Newton, host of the excellent Rebelliously Curious podcast, as well as part owner of and regular contributor to The Debrief, which, if you’ve listened to our show for a little while, you’ll know we often dip into their work for great stories. Since Mal wasn’t around for last week’s episode with Kelly Chase, and she won’t be around for the episode that drops this Friday either, we thought it might be nice to break up the Tom & Jordan show monotony with this one, where it was Tom who wasn’t able to show up instead of Mal. One of these days, it’s gonna be Jordan who takes a hike to let Tom and Mal carry the show for a week. But it probably won’t be for something cool, it’ll probably be for something like the flu. But whatever. Oh, also, another reminder that all three of us will not only be back for the first episode of September, we’ll also be together LIVE in Los Angeles, this Friday, August 29th, at Lights in the Sky, a panel discussion on the connection between psi and UFO phenomena. This is a big deal for two reasons -- first, because Tom, Mal, and I are sharing the stage with Dave Foley, Tom Wheeler, Rizwan Virk, and Danny Sheehan. Amazing. But also because if you didn’t know it, Tom actually lives in North Carolina, so he’s flying out to join us for this event. Once again, the link is in the description, so if there’s any chance you’ll be in or near LA on August 29th — this Friday! — please come say hi. It would literally make our dreams come true. *** With Chrissy sitting in Tom’s chair, the three of us talk about why curiosity is inherently rebellious, how to prepare for the potential arrival of an alien mothership, and why believing people by default creates better communities than starting from suspicion. Highlights: Curiosity as rebellion: how the simple act of asking questions becomes an act of resistance against systems that prefer compliance 3I/Atlas interstellar drama: Avi Loeb thinks object could change trajectory when it emerges from behind the sun in late October, says "the stock market's gonna crash, Chrissy" Believe people, not propaganda: personal stories are true until proven false, but propaganda is designed to manipulate people who want to believe it A visualization exercise: Chrissy has her friends visualize a mothership appearing overhead because most people have never mentally prepared for contact scenarios Experiencer empathy (or lack thereof): Mal observes that if you don't have direct contact with people who've experienced anomalous phenomena, you're less likely to believe experiencer reports Breakup-to-broadcaster: Chrissy's origin story UFO community: Everyone’s a part of it, actually — businesses selling products and regular people with interest Energy literacy as survival skill: Mal's "hippie dippy LA girl" suggestion that we'll need to trust good energies Political spin is inevitable: Any major disclosure event will immediately be propagandized in every direction Community as antidote to despair: What gives Chrissy hope? Meeting fellow travelers, having firsthand experiences, and seeing how many genuinely good people there are in the world Much more at godsghostsUFOs.com *** SpectreVision Radio is a bespoke podcast network at the intersection between the arts and the uncanny, featuring a tapestry of shows exploring creativity, the esoteric, and the unknown. We’re a community for creators and fans vibrating around common curiosities, shared interests and persistent passions. spectrevisionradio.com linktr.ee/spectrevisionsocial Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices