Greetings, batfolk!! My guest this episode is Dr. Dina Dechmann, a Swiss ecologist that lives in Switzerland and then crosses the border to work in Germany every day at the Max Planck Institute of Animal Behavior. Dina’s career and research has taken her all over the world, as you’ll soon learn, and the questions she’s asking have to do with bat behavior and the energetic realities that underlie them. I found myself just completely fascinated by the processes and strategies bats employ to save energy that Dina explained to me. We also talk about Kasanka National Park and the straw-colored fruit bats, how you have to know a lot about a lot in order to study bats (or at least know and collaborate with others who know a lot about which you know little), the enormous complexities of conservation, a bat that excavates and lives in termite nests with the termites still in there, and so much more. Follow Dina on Twitter at https://twitter.com/dechmannlab. Visit the Give Bats A Break Linktree https://linktr.ee/GiveBatsABreak to find ALL of the GBAB and GBAP links, including to Apple Podcasts and Podchaser where you can leave a rating and a review! Let me know what you like, what you'd like to hear, and what you think of the show, or shoot me an email at givebatsabreak@gmail.com. If you dig the song at the intro and outro, it is appropriately named "Bats" and it is by my friend and music producer MNPHST who you can find on Soundcloud https://soundcloud.com/maniphest-1. Thanks for putting the podcast in your bat caves! I'm looking forward to the next time we get to Give Bats A Podcast together 🦇🎙