Chase Amante sits down with Levo, an original Mystery Method pickup artist who has been transplanted from the peak of the 2005 seduction community into the strange new world of 2025. After years of marriage and entrepreneurship in big-city Brazil, Levo has returned to the USA unattached and is re-entering the game.
No longer a youthful nightclub hunter, he details his evolved strategies for attracting women, how the rules of dating have fundamentally changed, and what it was like returning to the American cultural and dating scene after so long abroad. We cover everything from modernizing classic game and sexualizing conversations to navigating dating apps, avoiding the "husband zone," and why he now prefers dating women over 30.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
01:23 - Levo’s history with girls and the game
11:44 - Club game and his time in Brazil
18:53 - US cultural shift: strippers then vs. now
27:12 - The true value in pickup: becoming a BETTER man
29:03 - Learning the rules of socialization
33:53 - Seduction models & which work best for whom
35:37 - Why Levo recommends Mystery Method for new guys
38:49 - Adding what’s missing from MM (sexualization)
42:45 - How Levo sexualizes: The “online experience” gambit
45:55 - ONS-oriented vs. “Get a GF”-oriented methods
49:58 - Levo’s upcoming “cruise game” plans
54:58 - Have women become more conservative?
58:57 - Being the cool ‘normal’ guy (not too nice, not bitter)
1:03:01 - Spinning cool job descriptions
1:05:32 - Why target women over 30 vs. younger
1:10:10 - Brief political foray: “4chan vs. Tumblr”
1:13:57 - Negativity & soundbites on social media
1:16:34 - On being non-judgmental and not anti-woman
1:19:09 - Interactions should be fun & non-political
1:20:58 - Making room for deep discussion
1:24:23 - Conversations must be personal and NON-POLITICAL
1:26:12 - Escaping the male logical conversation pattern
1:30:10 - Giving women the right emotions
1:37:10 - Successful guys in mismatched partnerships
1:41:59 - How to avoid the “husband zone”
1:48:01 - Removing your sticking points
1:51:12 - Naturally attractive behaviors you can't engineer
1:55:35 - Using debriefs with lovers to learn
1:58:15 - How to meet “app inexperienced” girls on apps
2:00:41 - Making dating app pictures “tell a story”
2:05:14 - Perspective on marriage after pickup, marriage & divorce
2:09:38 - Women’s fear of emotional infidelity
2:11:42 - Seeking high trust relationships
2:16:21 - On women imprinting from who they date
2:18:11 - Downsides of women knowing you are into PUA
2:24:15 - Perceptions of pickup in different times/places
2:28:12 - How cliques influence results
2:32:19 - Why he doesn't pickup in his cliquish small town
2:36:00 - Transplants seeking connection vs. locals
2:41:10 - Where Levo plans to take his future
Get links mentioned in the podcast and other details here:
https://www.girlschase.com/article/skilled-seducer-month-september-2025-levo
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Chase Amante sits down with Levo, an original Mystery Method pickup artist who has been transplanted from the peak of the 2005 seduction community into the strange new world of 2025. After years of marriage and entrepreneurship in big-city Brazil, Levo has returned to the USA unattached and is re-entering the game.
No longer a youthful nightclub hunter, he details his evolved strategies for attracting women, how the rules of dating have fundamentally changed, and what it was like returning to the American cultural and dating scene after so long abroad. We cover everything from modernizing classic game and sexualizing conversations to navigating dating apps, avoiding the "husband zone," and why he now prefers dating women over 30.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
01:23 - Levo’s history with girls and the game
11:44 - Club game and his time in Brazil
18:53 - US cultural shift: strippers then vs. now
27:12 - The true value in pickup: becoming a BETTER man
29:03 - Learning the rules of socialization
33:53 - Seduction models & which work best for whom
35:37 - Why Levo recommends Mystery Method for new guys
38:49 - Adding what’s missing from MM (sexualization)
42:45 - How Levo sexualizes: The “online experience” gambit
45:55 - ONS-oriented vs. “Get a GF”-oriented methods
49:58 - Levo’s upcoming “cruise game” plans
54:58 - Have women become more conservative?
58:57 - Being the cool ‘normal’ guy (not too nice, not bitter)
1:03:01 - Spinning cool job descriptions
1:05:32 - Why target women over 30 vs. younger
1:10:10 - Brief political foray: “4chan vs. Tumblr”
1:13:57 - Negativity & soundbites on social media
1:16:34 - On being non-judgmental and not anti-woman
1:19:09 - Interactions should be fun & non-political
1:20:58 - Making room for deep discussion
1:24:23 - Conversations must be personal and NON-POLITICAL
1:26:12 - Escaping the male logical conversation pattern
1:30:10 - Giving women the right emotions
1:37:10 - Successful guys in mismatched partnerships
1:41:59 - How to avoid the “husband zone”
1:48:01 - Removing your sticking points
1:51:12 - Naturally attractive behaviors you can't engineer
1:55:35 - Using debriefs with lovers to learn
1:58:15 - How to meet “app inexperienced” girls on apps
2:00:41 - Making dating app pictures “tell a story”
2:05:14 - Perspective on marriage after pickup, marriage & divorce
2:09:38 - Women’s fear of emotional infidelity
2:11:42 - Seeking high trust relationships
2:16:21 - On women imprinting from who they date
2:18:11 - Downsides of women knowing you are into PUA
2:24:15 - Perceptions of pickup in different times/places
2:28:12 - How cliques influence results
2:32:19 - Why he doesn't pickup in his cliquish small town
2:36:00 - Transplants seeking connection vs. locals
2:41:10 - Where Levo plans to take his future
Get links mentioned in the podcast and other details here:
https://www.girlschase.com/article/skilled-seducer-month-september-2025-levo
22: Franco Lombardi | Learning Pickup Takes Discipline, Part 2
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22: Franco Lombardi | Learning Pickup Takes Discipline, Part 2
I’m pleased to announce Part 2 of my interview with Franco Lombardi on the importance of Discipline. Discipline is more of a mindset approach to dating as opposed to having an uncontrolled environment.
• 00:20 – A quick review of Part 1
• 01:41 – How to strategize what methods to keep and what to stop using, and why the #1 goal of every guy is to find a system that works to get laid, then focus on improving different parts
• 03:12 – If you know A, keep A. Don’t change A if it works, but start solving for other variables until you’re getting laid. Online dating is a great testing ground for variables
• 04:55 – Location as its own variable – how to play with dating apps
• 06:40 – Why beginners and virgins should set small goals to start. Approach and A: open a girl with the Goal of B: a conversation. Then once A is complete, move to B. Then once B is complete, go to C: get her number
• 08:30 – How building a disciplined system is like building a custom ladder where every rung is a specific process
• 09:35 – Common pitfall: how many guys aim to get to the top rung without fully building the base
• 10:45 – We discuss advanced guys who already have working ladders, and how they improve their ladders by improving certain rungs
• 12:50 – Franco discusses how he changes just one variable to adjust the structure of his ladder to get higher performance rates. And how to use another’s success to adapt their game to oneself
• 15:40 – Why proper execution of a new method is critical. When trying new methods, take into account that it might not be executed correctly and will require further testing
• 17:10 – There’s never a 100% success rate in the dating game, but we can aim to get as close as possible. No variable can have a 100% success rate
• 18:55 – The first goal is to have a working ladder, even if not perfect, to have a system for getting laid. When a ladder is working, focus on improving each rung
• 19:45 – We talk about stacks and routines in the PUA community – they give you controlled, solved variables, like preassembled rungs for a ladder
• 21:30 – Typical pitfall points for guys when it comes to discipline, and how Varoon’s introduction of polyamory in his ladder destroyed rungs further up
• 23:10 – Some hard rules in any dating ladders, like avoiding religion, politics, feminism, things that create dissimilarity, and dating habits
• 23:50 – How confirmation biases affect results when guys don’t test new methods fluidly
• 26:20 – Discipline is a long-term goal for dating, and good foresight is key for determining your own rules
• 29:00 – Discipline is the difference between the controlled, civilized man and the beast
• 30:15 – Control and calibration equate to developing yourself as a true social Alpha, whereas the beast is uncontrolled and uncalibrated
• 32:00 – Using control to be the impulsive beast at the correct times. The civilized man knows when to be impulsive and when not to be
• 32:45 – Long-term thinking as a function of Discipline
CHATS WITH CHASE
For this episode’s Chats with Chase, we got a great comment from listener Alexander about what to focus on when improving conversation skills.
• 34:15 – Introduction
• 34:55 – Chase talks about early experiences with conversation and Deep Diving
• 35:45 – Chase shares thread amplification
• 36:30 – A conversation without thread amplification and how it feels superficial, with no relational elements
• 37:30 – How to fix a jumpy conversation using thread amplification, with examples
• 39:20 – Why to begin conversations by relating to girls in general ways, and why to make a girl feel free when she’s talking with you
Listen online: http://www.girlschase.com/content/franco-lombardi-learning-pickup-takes-discipline-part-2-podcast
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Girls Chase Podcast
Chase Amante sits down with Levo, an original Mystery Method pickup artist who has been transplanted from the peak of the 2005 seduction community into the strange new world of 2025. After years of marriage and entrepreneurship in big-city Brazil, Levo has returned to the USA unattached and is re-entering the game.
No longer a youthful nightclub hunter, he details his evolved strategies for attracting women, how the rules of dating have fundamentally changed, and what it was like returning to the American cultural and dating scene after so long abroad. We cover everything from modernizing classic game and sexualizing conversations to navigating dating apps, avoiding the "husband zone," and why he now prefers dating women over 30.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
01:23 - Levo’s history with girls and the game
11:44 - Club game and his time in Brazil
18:53 - US cultural shift: strippers then vs. now
27:12 - The true value in pickup: becoming a BETTER man
29:03 - Learning the rules of socialization
33:53 - Seduction models & which work best for whom
35:37 - Why Levo recommends Mystery Method for new guys
38:49 - Adding what’s missing from MM (sexualization)
42:45 - How Levo sexualizes: The “online experience” gambit
45:55 - ONS-oriented vs. “Get a GF”-oriented methods
49:58 - Levo’s upcoming “cruise game” plans
54:58 - Have women become more conservative?
58:57 - Being the cool ‘normal’ guy (not too nice, not bitter)
1:03:01 - Spinning cool job descriptions
1:05:32 - Why target women over 30 vs. younger
1:10:10 - Brief political foray: “4chan vs. Tumblr”
1:13:57 - Negativity & soundbites on social media
1:16:34 - On being non-judgmental and not anti-woman
1:19:09 - Interactions should be fun & non-political
1:20:58 - Making room for deep discussion
1:24:23 - Conversations must be personal and NON-POLITICAL
1:26:12 - Escaping the male logical conversation pattern
1:30:10 - Giving women the right emotions
1:37:10 - Successful guys in mismatched partnerships
1:41:59 - How to avoid the “husband zone”
1:48:01 - Removing your sticking points
1:51:12 - Naturally attractive behaviors you can't engineer
1:55:35 - Using debriefs with lovers to learn
1:58:15 - How to meet “app inexperienced” girls on apps
2:00:41 - Making dating app pictures “tell a story”
2:05:14 - Perspective on marriage after pickup, marriage & divorce
2:09:38 - Women’s fear of emotional infidelity
2:11:42 - Seeking high trust relationships
2:16:21 - On women imprinting from who they date
2:18:11 - Downsides of women knowing you are into PUA
2:24:15 - Perceptions of pickup in different times/places
2:28:12 - How cliques influence results
2:32:19 - Why he doesn't pickup in his cliquish small town
2:36:00 - Transplants seeking connection vs. locals
2:41:10 - Where Levo plans to take his future
Get links mentioned in the podcast and other details here:
https://www.girlschase.com/article/skilled-seducer-month-september-2025-levo