Chase Amante sits down with Levo, an original Mystery Method pickup artist who has been transplanted from the peak of the 2005 seduction community into the strange new world of 2025. After years of marriage and entrepreneurship in big-city Brazil, Levo has returned to the USA unattached and is re-entering the game.
No longer a youthful nightclub hunter, he details his evolved strategies for attracting women, how the rules of dating have fundamentally changed, and what it was like returning to the American cultural and dating scene after so long abroad. We cover everything from modernizing classic game and sexualizing conversations to navigating dating apps, avoiding the "husband zone," and why he now prefers dating women over 30.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
01:23 - Levo’s history with girls and the game
11:44 - Club game and his time in Brazil
18:53 - US cultural shift: strippers then vs. now
27:12 - The true value in pickup: becoming a BETTER man
29:03 - Learning the rules of socialization
33:53 - Seduction models & which work best for whom
35:37 - Why Levo recommends Mystery Method for new guys
38:49 - Adding what’s missing from MM (sexualization)
42:45 - How Levo sexualizes: The “online experience” gambit
45:55 - ONS-oriented vs. “Get a GF”-oriented methods
49:58 - Levo’s upcoming “cruise game” plans
54:58 - Have women become more conservative?
58:57 - Being the cool ‘normal’ guy (not too nice, not bitter)
1:03:01 - Spinning cool job descriptions
1:05:32 - Why target women over 30 vs. younger
1:10:10 - Brief political foray: “4chan vs. Tumblr”
1:13:57 - Negativity & soundbites on social media
1:16:34 - On being non-judgmental and not anti-woman
1:19:09 - Interactions should be fun & non-political
1:20:58 - Making room for deep discussion
1:24:23 - Conversations must be personal and NON-POLITICAL
1:26:12 - Escaping the male logical conversation pattern
1:30:10 - Giving women the right emotions
1:37:10 - Successful guys in mismatched partnerships
1:41:59 - How to avoid the “husband zone”
1:48:01 - Removing your sticking points
1:51:12 - Naturally attractive behaviors you can't engineer
1:55:35 - Using debriefs with lovers to learn
1:58:15 - How to meet “app inexperienced” girls on apps
2:00:41 - Making dating app pictures “tell a story”
2:05:14 - Perspective on marriage after pickup, marriage & divorce
2:09:38 - Women’s fear of emotional infidelity
2:11:42 - Seeking high trust relationships
2:16:21 - On women imprinting from who they date
2:18:11 - Downsides of women knowing you are into PUA
2:24:15 - Perceptions of pickup in different times/places
2:28:12 - How cliques influence results
2:32:19 - Why he doesn't pickup in his cliquish small town
2:36:00 - Transplants seeking connection vs. locals
2:41:10 - Where Levo plans to take his future
Get links mentioned in the podcast and other details here:
https://www.girlschase.com/article/skilled-seducer-month-september-2025-levo
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Chase Amante sits down with Levo, an original Mystery Method pickup artist who has been transplanted from the peak of the 2005 seduction community into the strange new world of 2025. After years of marriage and entrepreneurship in big-city Brazil, Levo has returned to the USA unattached and is re-entering the game.
No longer a youthful nightclub hunter, he details his evolved strategies for attracting women, how the rules of dating have fundamentally changed, and what it was like returning to the American cultural and dating scene after so long abroad. We cover everything from modernizing classic game and sexualizing conversations to navigating dating apps, avoiding the "husband zone," and why he now prefers dating women over 30.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
01:23 - Levo’s history with girls and the game
11:44 - Club game and his time in Brazil
18:53 - US cultural shift: strippers then vs. now
27:12 - The true value in pickup: becoming a BETTER man
29:03 - Learning the rules of socialization
33:53 - Seduction models & which work best for whom
35:37 - Why Levo recommends Mystery Method for new guys
38:49 - Adding what’s missing from MM (sexualization)
42:45 - How Levo sexualizes: The “online experience” gambit
45:55 - ONS-oriented vs. “Get a GF”-oriented methods
49:58 - Levo’s upcoming “cruise game” plans
54:58 - Have women become more conservative?
58:57 - Being the cool ‘normal’ guy (not too nice, not bitter)
1:03:01 - Spinning cool job descriptions
1:05:32 - Why target women over 30 vs. younger
1:10:10 - Brief political foray: “4chan vs. Tumblr”
1:13:57 - Negativity & soundbites on social media
1:16:34 - On being non-judgmental and not anti-woman
1:19:09 - Interactions should be fun & non-political
1:20:58 - Making room for deep discussion
1:24:23 - Conversations must be personal and NON-POLITICAL
1:26:12 - Escaping the male logical conversation pattern
1:30:10 - Giving women the right emotions
1:37:10 - Successful guys in mismatched partnerships
1:41:59 - How to avoid the “husband zone”
1:48:01 - Removing your sticking points
1:51:12 - Naturally attractive behaviors you can't engineer
1:55:35 - Using debriefs with lovers to learn
1:58:15 - How to meet “app inexperienced” girls on apps
2:00:41 - Making dating app pictures “tell a story”
2:05:14 - Perspective on marriage after pickup, marriage & divorce
2:09:38 - Women’s fear of emotional infidelity
2:11:42 - Seeking high trust relationships
2:16:21 - On women imprinting from who they date
2:18:11 - Downsides of women knowing you are into PUA
2:24:15 - Perceptions of pickup in different times/places
2:28:12 - How cliques influence results
2:32:19 - Why he doesn't pickup in his cliquish small town
2:36:00 - Transplants seeking connection vs. locals
2:41:10 - Where Levo plans to take his future
Get links mentioned in the podcast and other details here:
https://www.girlschase.com/article/skilled-seducer-month-september-2025-levo
21: Franco Lombardi | Learning Pickup Takes Discipline, Part 1
Girls Chase Podcast
33 minutes 31 seconds
7 years ago
21: Franco Lombardi | Learning Pickup Takes Discipline, Part 1
Have you ever tried a technique or maybe hit a sticking point in your dating life, then wonder why whatever you’re doing didn’t work? If so, this podcast will help.
Discipline is more of a mindset approach to dating as opposed to having an uncontrolled environment. The idea behind discipline is threefold:
• There are things I know that work; I want to continue to use those things
• I need to stop doing things that don’t work for my dating methods
• I also need to create systems that test what I’m not sure about
Since this is a hefty subject, I’ve broken up the podcast into two segments:
In Part 1:
• Introduction to Franco and discipline (00:45)
• Why Franco believes discipline is important, and the mindset of discipline (01:32)
• Discipline as compared to a scientific method and an equation (03:00)
• Controlled versus tested variables (03:52)
• Varoon’s example of how a single variable changed the outcome of his date (04:07)
• Varoon discusses how he confused the cause of his failure on the date (05:22)
• Franco discusses how he isolated the variable that changed on Varoon’s date (06:26)
• Varoon shares a story from another date where he changed many variables (08:30)
• Why it’s important to turn your dates into a scientific experiment (09:50)
• Franco’s equation comparison and why it’s important to keep variables to just one (10:25)
• How the equation and variable system relates to dating (11:40)
• Why changing just one date variable is critical to learning and creating a working method (12:32)
• How to understand all the different variables at play, and how the most successful men are all highly disciplined (13:27)
• Reducing variables solves equations quicker and makes the dating process much easier (15:28)
• Varoon shares how isolating variables helped him figure out a sticking point in texting (15:55)
• Nothing is ever 100% or absolute with women (how a method works differently for different people) (17:18)
• Varoon shares a more difficult sticking point and how he sorted through several variables to create a solution (19:00)
• Some variables are more difficult to identify than others (21:50)
I’d also like to introduce a new segment called “Chats with Chase,” where I invite Chase to discuss anything reader related on the podcast. This time, Chase covers how to decide when to remove components from your dating method.
• Introduction to “Chats with Chase” (22:55)
• How Chase knows when it’s time to chuck a strategy into the waste bin, and why there are so many variances in results (23:05)
• First reason to throw something out – when you don’t need something anymore (24:54)
• Second reason to throw something out – when something repeatedly doesn’t work (and why to try something twenty times before discarding it) (27:17)
• Third reason to throw something out – when it produces reactions, not results (Chase cites public makeouts as an example, and how he started testing out not making out in public) (28:16)
• Final reason to throw something out – when it just doesn’t fit your personality (and how Chase threw out some cheesy sex banter that didn’t work well) (30:25)
Next time, in Part 2 of my discussion with Franco, we’ll discuss:
• How to experiment with discipline by solving variables and demonstrating what works
• How to use discipline in dating methods if you’re a virgin or a beginner
• How to use discipline more effectively to get better and get laid if you’re already getting results
• Setting correct expectations for the successes you desire
• Pacing reality with known and unknown variables
• Typical pitfall points in how guys screw up discipline
• Why thinking long term is critical to your dating success
Listen online: http://www.girlschase.com/content/franco-lombardi-learning-pickup-takes-discipline-podcast
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Girls Chase Podcast
Chase Amante sits down with Levo, an original Mystery Method pickup artist who has been transplanted from the peak of the 2005 seduction community into the strange new world of 2025. After years of marriage and entrepreneurship in big-city Brazil, Levo has returned to the USA unattached and is re-entering the game.
No longer a youthful nightclub hunter, he details his evolved strategies for attracting women, how the rules of dating have fundamentally changed, and what it was like returning to the American cultural and dating scene after so long abroad. We cover everything from modernizing classic game and sexualizing conversations to navigating dating apps, avoiding the "husband zone," and why he now prefers dating women over 30.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction
01:23 - Levo’s history with girls and the game
11:44 - Club game and his time in Brazil
18:53 - US cultural shift: strippers then vs. now
27:12 - The true value in pickup: becoming a BETTER man
29:03 - Learning the rules of socialization
33:53 - Seduction models & which work best for whom
35:37 - Why Levo recommends Mystery Method for new guys
38:49 - Adding what’s missing from MM (sexualization)
42:45 - How Levo sexualizes: The “online experience” gambit
45:55 - ONS-oriented vs. “Get a GF”-oriented methods
49:58 - Levo’s upcoming “cruise game” plans
54:58 - Have women become more conservative?
58:57 - Being the cool ‘normal’ guy (not too nice, not bitter)
1:03:01 - Spinning cool job descriptions
1:05:32 - Why target women over 30 vs. younger
1:10:10 - Brief political foray: “4chan vs. Tumblr”
1:13:57 - Negativity & soundbites on social media
1:16:34 - On being non-judgmental and not anti-woman
1:19:09 - Interactions should be fun & non-political
1:20:58 - Making room for deep discussion
1:24:23 - Conversations must be personal and NON-POLITICAL
1:26:12 - Escaping the male logical conversation pattern
1:30:10 - Giving women the right emotions
1:37:10 - Successful guys in mismatched partnerships
1:41:59 - How to avoid the “husband zone”
1:48:01 - Removing your sticking points
1:51:12 - Naturally attractive behaviors you can't engineer
1:55:35 - Using debriefs with lovers to learn
1:58:15 - How to meet “app inexperienced” girls on apps
2:00:41 - Making dating app pictures “tell a story”
2:05:14 - Perspective on marriage after pickup, marriage & divorce
2:09:38 - Women’s fear of emotional infidelity
2:11:42 - Seeking high trust relationships
2:16:21 - On women imprinting from who they date
2:18:11 - Downsides of women knowing you are into PUA
2:24:15 - Perceptions of pickup in different times/places
2:28:12 - How cliques influence results
2:32:19 - Why he doesn't pickup in his cliquish small town
2:36:00 - Transplants seeking connection vs. locals
2:41:10 - Where Levo plans to take his future
Get links mentioned in the podcast and other details here:
https://www.girlschase.com/article/skilled-seducer-month-september-2025-levo