The era of universalism is receding; the time of fragmentation and selfishness has arrived. Nationalism, in the broad sense, has returned. This worldview is already widespread, and the COVID-19 pandemic has normalized it. What does international cooperation look like during the triumph of national interests? Is it possible to realize these interests without interaction? We turned to Andrei Kortunov, Director General of the Russian International Affairs Council, and Anatol Lieven, Professor of Georgetown University in Qatar for their insight.

Geopolitics on the Move is a podcast series hosted by Sean Guillory (SRB Podcast) and Fyodor Lukyanov (Russia in Global Affairs).

Geopolitics on the Move is produced by Russia in Global Affairs, the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey, Graduate Initiative in Russian Studies at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey, and the Center for Russian, Eastern European, & Eurasian Studies at the University of Pittsburgh. The Carnegie Corporation of New York provided funding.