In this episode, writer and curator Enuma Okoro speaks with internationally acclaimed artist Katharina Grosse (b. 1961 in Freiburg, Germany), known for her bold, haptic paintings that dissolve the boundaries between canvas, architecture, and landscape. With her disruptive use of colour, Grosse transforms entire environments into immersive experiences, shifting how we perceive space and inviting us to move through it in new ways. Their conversation explores how Grosse conceives of painting as an expansive, open field rather than a defined object, and how her work challenges conventional notions of orientation, control, and interpretation. Together they reflect on the freedom and ambiguity that lie at the heart of Grosse’s practice, the potential of colour to reconfigure our sense of reality, and the ways in which art can act as a portal to the unseen and the unspoken.