"I often compare it to deep sea diving. Every time you take out your phone during the retreats, you reconnect with that busy life, you go back to the surface. You never really allow yourself to get to the bottom, where the real treasures are."

In this first episode of the 'From Time to Time' podcast, we're joined by one of Belgium's Top 40 under 40, Carlien Cavens. During our honest conversation, you'll learn about what insights she got during an 'early midlife crisis', what happens when people decide to let go of their phone and the state of 'always busy', and she shares some of the most remarkable changes that people have experienced after her retreats.