In this thought-provoking episode, we dive deep with Alistair Croll, an entrepreneur, author, and conference innovator who has spent decades helping organizations make better data-driven decisions and understand the hidden systems that shape business and society. He authored the bestselling "Lean Analytics" and has helped launch seven major industry conferences including O'Reilly's Strata and the FWD50 digital government summit. His latest work, "Just Evil Enough," explores subversive marketing strategies for challenger brands, drawing from his extensive research into how underdogs disrupt established systems and change the status quo.

In this episode, he shares his unique journey from inventing games in boarding school to revolutionizing how we think about business success. Alistair challenges conventional wisdom by advocating for "solving for interesting" rather than chasing fame or wealth—a philosophy that has shaped his remarkable career. 

The conversation explores Alistair's groundbreaking marketing theories, including medium-first marketing, where the communication channel becomes as important as the message itself. He also breaks down his innovative "long funnel" approach that extends beyond traditional marketing stages to include attention, interest, desire, action, and fluency—providing a more comprehensive view of customer engagement.

Throughout the episode, Alistair emphasizes the critical importance of system awareness and subversive thinking in modern marketing, offering fresh perspectives that challenge industry norms. Whether you're an entrepreneur, marketer, or simply someone seeking a more interesting approach to professional growth, this episode delivers unconventional wisdom for navigating today's complex business landscape.

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