Free Talk NZ talk to Tony Morley, a prominent human progress researcher about all the things that are getting better in the world, despite all the gloom and doom headlines.

In this episode we talk about Labour's plan to rebuild the economy. It's all about the jobs. But - beware of politicians promising to create jobs. Creating jobs is easy, just give everyone a spoon and ask them to dig a canal. It is creating value that matters, and the government, indeed any government, is uniquely incompetent at creating value.