For decades the American Evangelical church and the far-left atheist community have both belittled and demonized anyone who does not adhere to their view of family planning. Rather than helping reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, this culture way has removed the nuances, struggles, and pain associated with family planning. Not ones to stay away from controversial topics, Joshua Hopping ( Indigenous author and mystic) and April Ford (mental health expert and pastor) dive into the conversation by asking the questions like, “Is it is possible to be pro-choice and a follower of Jesus?” or “When does life begin?” And in true Hopping fashion, Joshua can’t help but bring up the history behind the pro-life movement as well as how other cultures answer the question of life.

Trigger warning: This episode may not be for everyone as it deals with abortion, death of young children, and other potentially triggering subjects.