For this fortieth episode, I talked to a very special guest, Jason Fried, Co-Founder and CEO of Basecamp, the famous project management and communication platform. Jason loves creating things he wants and selling them to other people like him. That’s how he started way back with selling stereo equipment and cordless phones and is now selling software to help teams do a better job. The very first thing we did when starting Salesflare was reading his first book and almost manifesto “Getting Real” and it shaped a lot of our early thinking at Salesflare, so I’m very glad to have him on the show. We talk about how to go about remote working the right way, why he puts sustainable growth over investor fueled growth, and how to apply stoicism in life and in business.