In this episode I interview David King who is a Gundungurra man here in Katoomba in the Blue Mountains on Dharug and Gundungurra Country. We speak about the importance of looking after Country as a community, the effects of dispossession, and the importance of incorporating First Nations understandings of how to look after the land into mainstream thinking about land management.  The interview contributed to the chapter "The Dam and the Gully" in the new book Belonging to the Earth: Nature Spirituality in a changing world, that I published alongside contributions from First Nations community leaders like David. You can purchase a copy of the book from any good retailer, or directly from me here:  https://www.forestspiritjewelry.com/product-page/belonging-to-the-earth You can find out more about the Swampcare project at Garguree/The Gully here:https://landcare.nsw.gov.au/groups/garguree-swampcare/