Is China out-innovating the U.S.? Craig Allen, former U.S. ambassador and longtime expert on U.S.-China relations, breaks down the complex dynamics shaping today’s tech rivalry. In this episode, we examine the “four rivers” of Chinese innovation, how Beijing is reshaping industrial policy, and what U.S. policymakers are missing. Allen shares insights from decades in diplomacy and trade—and sounds the alarm on where America needs to step up. Ultimately, it isn't just about competition. It’s about understanding what’s really at stake.

This interview was conducted by Alan Herrera, who oversees AFPC-USA's editorial operations.

This episode has been produced in partnership with the Hinrich Foundation. AFPC-USA is solely responsible for the content of this episode.