In Episode 57 Dr. Nicholas Ng-A-Fook interviews Dr. Margaret Macintyre Latta, Dr. Bill Cohen, Terry Beaudry, & Dr. Jody Dlouhy-Nelson.  They work at UBC Okanagan and co-lead a SSHRC Partnership grant titled Co-Curricular-Making: Honoring Indigenous Connections to Land, Culture and the Relational Self.  We discussed the following: importance of storying the wisdom that sits in the places we live, unlearning and learning with Syilx Okanagan Elders, Knowledge Keepers, Residential School Survivors, community members, teachers, and students, food, water, land, mental health and wellness securities, (Re)Syilx(izing) educational knowledge, curriculum and pedagogies, co-creating knowledge, climate change, travels across Turtle Island along its rivers and tributaries, story of the Residential School Monster, human reconciliation with the more-than human-world, captikʷł story and knowledge system, impacts of experiencing openness, vulnerability, listening, and ceremony as professional (un)learning, troubling settler colonial systems of public schooling, what each has learned with, from, and alongside others through co-curriculum-making during the SSHRC Partnership Project, and so much more.