In Episode 58 Dr. Nicholas Ng-A-Fook interviews Dr. Lisa Korteweg and Tesa Fiddler. They work as educational researchers, teacher educators, colleagues, and friends in Thunder Bay, on the traditional territory of the Fort Williams First Nations-Anemki Wajiw (signatory to the 1850 Robinson-Superior treaty).  Tesa Fiddler is Anishinaabekwe from Kitchinuhmaykoosib Inninuwug and Onigaming First Nation in Northwestern Ontario. Tesa Fiddler is currently on secondment as an Education Officer for the Ontario Ministry of Education from her role as the Coordinator of Indigenous Education for Thunder Bay Catholic DSB. Dr. Lisa Korteweg is an associate professor at Lakehead University. Her community-based work focuses on questions of how schools grapple and teachers engage with the socially unjust realities of Indigenous youth who daily contend with anti-Indigenous racism and colonial inequities in education.  We discussed the following: The confluences of their different life histories, negotiating, resisting, and challenging settler colonialism, Treaty education, citizens, and relations, brave conversations, professional development and their research projects that seek to cultivate settler educator accountability to the TRC’s Back to Episodes