In Episode 64 Dr. Nicholas Ng-A-Fook interviews Dr. Claudia Eppert a Professor of Secondary Education at the University of Alberta. Her research focuses on the ethics of witnessing social and ecological suffering and trauma through literary, aesthetic, and mindful, contemplative, holistic engagements, along with exploration of the possibilities of psycho-social transformation to a more just, compassionate, and regenerative world.  We discussed the following: her educative lived experiences,  teaching, graduate studies, literary studies and engagement, cross-cultural philosophical studies, memory work, life writing research,  historical witnessing, shadow texts and questions, mindfulness, Buddhism, non-dualism, basic goodness, ecological witnessing, species extinction, and so much more.