Bruce Langridge chats to Huw Jones, farmer at the National Botanic Garden of Wales. 

They talk about how Huw manages the organic working farm on the Garden's Waun Las National Nature Reserve.

His passion for Welsh Black cattle is clear as he talks about stock levels, markets, breeding and meat quality. Huw's openness to new ideas about encouraging biodiversity on farmland is also inspirational, at a time when farm payments in Wales are likely to become more focussed on public goods.