In episode four of the podcast, Russell Whiteford sits down with two team members, James and Jayden, who are both Passive Fire Consultants at PROFINISH Fire Protection. This episode focuses on the passive fire design process, scoping projects, and common issues in passive fire design. James and Jayden emphasise the importance of early involvement in a project's design phase to ensure compliance, cost-effectiveness, and smooth execution. They discuss how they assist builders by providing specialised advice, efficient solutions, and product alternatives. Their expertise covers a wide range of fire protection systems, enabling them to tailor recommendations based on the project's unique needs rather than being limited to specific products.