In this deeply human episode, Matt and Brindy sit down with therapists Deana Charter, LPC (AZ), and Jennifer Koch, PsyD (WA), to explore the inner world of the healer. Each shares their own story of becoming who they are today—and the personal transformations that shaped their path. Together they dive into what it’s really like to work with trauma, especially among first responders, and how therapy changes both the client and the clinician. From EMDR to emotional exhaustion, from coping to connection, this episode reveals the heart of healing: learning to move beyond survival and live fully alive.

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