Beneath the Surface: Jessica Richards on PDA, the Nervous System, and the Neuro-Relational Framework

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Finding Hope on the Spectrum

Brooke Wagner

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Are you worried about your autistic son's or daughter's future and quality of life? Do you want to feel empowered to be the intuitive parent you know you are? Or are you a curious professional, seeking to learn and discover how to best reach your autistic clients? I invite you to join our community of growth seeking individuals as we connect, share and support each other. This show will feature heart to heart conversations with parents, professionals, and autistic individuals sharing personal insight and life experiences. We will dive deep into supports, programs, and stories that inspire us.

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Beneath the Surface: Jessica Richards on PDA, the Nervous System, and the Neuro-Relational Framework

Finding Hope on the Spectrum

59 minutes 6 seconds

1 month ago

Beneath the Surface: Jessica Richards on PDA, the Nervous System, and the Neuro-Relational Framework

In this episode of Finding Hope on the Spectrum, host Brooke welcomes Jessica Richards, a seasoned expert in clinical social work and child development. They discuss the importance of understanding behavior as the "tip of the iceberg," influenced by underlying nervous system mechanisms. The conversation dives into Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA) and the Neuro-Relational Framework (NRF), emphasizing the significance of the nervous system, relationships, and individual differences in managing stress responses. With a focus on autism and the broader neurodiverse community, Jessica shares insights on individualized approaches, environmental supports, and communication styles, offering practical strategies for parents and professionals. This episode aims to provide inspiration, insight, and hope, encouraging listeners to focus on green zone moments for effective support.

00:00 Understanding Behavior: The Iceberg Metaphor

01:01 Welcome to Finding Hope on the Spectrum

02:15 Introducing Jessica Richards: Expertise in Neuro Relational Framework

04:02 Jessica's Journey into Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA)

05:43 Defining PDA: Pathological Demand Avoidance

07:55 The Neuro Relational Framework Explained

12:29 Understanding the Autonomic Nervous System

17:31 Recognizing Stress Responses in PDA

20:04 Why Traditional Behavioral Approaches Fail

30:40 Understanding the Biomedical Model and Autism

33:13 Strategies for Growth and Flexibility

34:50 Using Humor, Novelty, and Play in Therapy

36:00 Sensory Strategies and Individualized Approaches

41:21 The Importance of Presuming Competence

43:42 Environmental Supports for PDA

48:30 Effective Communication Styles

51:49 Promoting the Green Zone

55:14 Resources and Final Thoughts

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Guest Contact:

https://www.jessicarichardslcsw.com/

JessicaRichardslcsw@gmail.com

Instagram: @jessicarichardslcsw

Neurorelational Framework: nrfcare.org/starter-kit

Sleep-Wake States Arc: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mlOa7Y0R9599oF1jF0dmEC0FIpPFtKzR/view?usp=drive_linkSafety-Challenge-Threat Triad: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vzV2f6UbWeasIX_kTiXzunleRXGzHNGh/view?usp=drive_linkNRF's Three Steps to Resilience: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EIzVZGD--aE6XZye3W2tbvvmSq_3b7nS/view?usp=drive_link