This time Laura and Maana are joined by the person behind @the.infertile.midwife, Sophie Martin, an NHS midwife and a mum to Cecil and Wilfred, who never made it home, and to Percy, who did.

The three talk about the painful experience of second trimester loss and infertility, which for Sophie finally ended in a positive pregnancy test and baby in late Summer 2021. Talking through the experience with her twin boys reminds Laura of her own late miscarriage and the experience and conversation around stillbirth. Through her work as a midwife Sophie has seen everything possible, but in the end, going through loss of that magnitude can only ever be felt inside. Through heartbreak and sorrow to the literal pain of IVF, Sophie, Laura and Maana talk about what changes when a positive pregnancy test becomes the ultimate goal. They observe how harmful existing preconditions of how motherhood is supposed to look like can be for those that struggle and explore the extent to which women are willing to go to fulfil the dream of motherhood. Furthermore, Sophie has helpful insights to offer to everyone seeking professional help for infertility in the UK.