This bonus episode features a panel discussion that took place at Copenhagen Fashion Week in August 2025. The talk was moderated by Giorgia Feroldi, a fashion journalist writing for the likes of Vogue Italia. The conversation explores our SHIRINGA film which was screened before the conversation, and examines how shiringa bio-leather could be used within the fashion industry.  Panelists include Veronica D’Souza, board member of Danish Design Council and sustainable leader; Rebecca Bay, Chief Creative Officer at Marimekko who emphasises the shift to material-first design; Sine Christiane Gerstenberg, a writer, editor and creative advocating for positive industry change; and our founding director (and director of SHIRINGA), Emma Håkansson. The discussion delves into ethics, sustainability, and the need for systemic changes in fashion, highlighting the importance of respecting Indigenous knowledge and addressing the industry's pace. The panel also discusses the importance of material transparency, legislative support, and the potential for a more ethically-driven fashion industry. Lastly, the episode underscores the need for deep knowledge and collaboration within the industry to foster meaningful change.   Learn more about shiringa bio-leather and watch our short film See coverage of the exhibition