Lloyd has been trying to eat more vegetables, but he can't stop thinking about cake. Which has got him wondering: why does cake taste so good if it's bad for us?

With help from the king of tasty tomatoes Professor Harry Klee (University of Florida) and author Mark Schatzker (The Dorito Effect, The End of Craving) Lily helps Lloyd to understand what flavour is, what makes food delicious, and why cake isn't actually all that bad for you.

Credits: Produced by Lily Shepherd. Featuring Harry Klee and Mark Schatzker. Podcast theme written exclusively for us by Ben Vize (@benvizemusic on Instagram).