Take a trip to the seedy world of the drug trade on the US/Mexican border... and then talk... and talk... and talk... That's what The Counselor, the 2013 star-studded Ridley Scott narco drama written by acclaimed novelist Cormac McCarthy does... and people hated it for that. Will Baker is not one of those people. Mirroring the film itself, we talk for a looooooooong time about the film's use of dialogue, its nihilistic outlook, its refusal to explain plot, McCarthy's prose, Scott's costuming choices, and being intimate with automobiles. Here's an entirely real list of tangent topics we dive down over the course of 2+ hours: Moby Dick, Emo Nites, My Dinner with Andre, Grand Theft Auto, crypto shills, Top Gun, Inception, Titane, and, of course, Carly Rae Jepsen vs. Taylor Swift. You know... The Counselor.