This podcast features an interview with Dr Adam Staley Groves, who teaches a course on Wallace Stevens and the technique of poetry for Ereignis Institute. To Dr Groves, to be a poet is to become aware of circumstances that are in our lives; it is to understand the poetry that is with us all.

In this podcast, we also discuss the figure of former US president Donald Trump as an artist, as someone who creates the familiar from the unfamiliar. The important thing for Dr Groves is that by 'understanding him as an artist we can get past some of the barriers we have to accepting him as a human being, and then we can guard in a supremely sympathetic way our own humanity from the sort of gross polarisation we see.'