In this episode of the EML podcast, our host Tommy Lee sits down with Neil Hart, Executive Head of Mergon Foundation, a foundation based in South Africa that allocates resources to ministries across Africa and the Middle East. They talk about the journey, the work of the Mergon Foundation, and Neil's newest book, The Magnificent Exit, about transitional leadership. The conversation revolves around developing a pipeline of leaders, the problem with creating celebrity pastors, and the perspective that all leaders need to have when leading their organizations.  “Organizations should exist for people, and people for the mission and kingdom of God. Leaders exist to serve people in that mission, to envision them, to encourage them, to course-correct, and to release them.”