This is Entheogen. Elevate the Conversation. It’s March 12, 2017, and we are discussing psychedelic healing with Dr. Neal Goldsmith. Topics: Neal’s book Psychedelic Healing: The Promise of Entheogens for Psychotherapy and Spiritual Development provides copious discussion points for our conversation today. Neal's therapy practice, and how his use of psychedelics has informed his practice of psychotherapy Imago therapy LSD is a tool: Charles Manson becomes more Charles Manson; Richard Alpert becomes Ram Dass. The substitution of the eucharist as a proxy for the original psychoactive sacrament. Can we please go back to the active version? What are the consequences of inactive substitutes in religious ceremonies? How have alternative spiritual practices sprung up in the absence of sanctioned Entheogenic rituals? George Carlin’s Modern Man. Are we in the midst of McKenna’s Archaic Revival? Is this another way to internalize the unfolding ecological apocalypse? “If we’re going to be post-post-modern, if we’re going to be integral, we can’t have a fight between tribalism and modernity. We can’t have a fight between spirituality and the material world.” Meditation, mindfulness, yoga, breathing… Deep breathing to expel carbon dioxide in addition to inhaling oxygen. McKenna’s conjecture that it’s possible to get to the same state of consciousness that psychedelics provide access to, using meditation or chanting or drumming, but who has time for that? What do you recommend to listeners who might be interested in some form of psychedelic therapy, present company included? The dichotomy of tribalism vs. modernism: our human ancestors living naturally but for shorter time, vs. modern humans living longer but disconnected from nature. Spiraling up vs. retreating to tribalism. Spirituality vs. science. The concept of rational mysticism. Einstein quote via Rick Doblin: “There's no real conflict between science & religion; there's a conflict between bad science & bad religion.” Please support Entheogen by making a donation on Patreon. Become a Patron for as little as $1. Pledge just $3 or more, and get early access to new episodes, plus exclusive Patron-only features. Head over to EntheogenShow.com and click on Support. Find the notes and links for this and other episodes at EntheogenShow.com. Sign up to receive an email when we release a new episode. Follow us @EntheogenShow on Twitter and like EntheogenShow on FaceBook. Thanks for listening.