The podcast resumes discussing trivia, although this time its ‘serious trivia’. We also await news on the fate of the podcast cockroach…. Our guest is Martin Sadler an experience CIO, who currently runs a large public sector IT organisation. Martin also has written a book about being a CIO – Aspirationally Idle. This includes a number of useful tips and guidance about running IT,  presented with jargon-free examples and cartoons. It’s funny and can be used as a general management guide as well as specific tips to IT leaders. We discuss the equation ‘anger=frustration x time’ and many other simple nuggets of wisdom.