“You can be a hardcore realist and still believe in psychic phenomena... there is a kind of spiritual connection between us, and it is consistent with mathematical science.”
Embark on an extraordinary journey where the frontiers of quantum physics, consciousness, neural networks, and the inner life of humanity converge.
In this unmissable Entangled Health episode, Thomas Ehmer sits down with Dr. Paul Werbos, legendary originator of the backpropagation algorithm, former NSF quantum director, and one of the boldest thinkers at the intersection of artificial intelligence, quantum theory, and spiritual intelligence.
Dr. Werbos’s life’s work connects the deepest currents of science and consciousness. He takes us from his breakthrough at Harvard—where the quest to mathematically model the mind led to the algorithm that powers modern deep learning—through his pioneering years guiding quantum research at the National Science Foundation, and into his passionate investigations of the “noosphere,” retrocausality, the quantum mind, and the existence of the soul. Along the way, Werbos explains why our deepest spiritual experiences may be entirely compatible with the latest mathematics of quantum reality—and why this synthesis could be essential for human health at the biological, psychological, and societal levels.
You’ll discover:
What it means to be “entangled” in life, how Paul bridges physics, mind, and meaning, showing why our sense of connection is rooted in both quantum theory and ancient wisdom traditions.
How Werbos’s career reveals the surprising origin of AI’s biggest innovation: “I was not trying to build better computers—I was trying to build a model of the mind.”
Why phenomena often regarded as mystical, the power of intention, the placebo effect, intuitive healing, the “chi” of life, can, and must, be rigorously examined through both scientific and spiritual lenses.
Insights into pausing technology’s runaway risks, eliminating “stupid AI,” and building a future where the expansion of human consciousness guides the next leap in health, science, and ethics.
The untold story of how true quantum annealing (tQuA) and novel retrocausal experiments could help revolutionize computational power and offer glimpses into the time-bending dimensions of consciousness.
Perspectival wisdom on why “health” - personal and planetary - isn't just about molecules or code but about the restoration and flourishing of our entangled connections, forward and backward in time.
Through candid anecdotes, unexpected connections, and a willingness to speak truths neglected by mainstream science, Dr. Werbos’s perspective is both a challenge and an invitation - questioning the boundaries between matter and mind, causality and coincidence, health and wholeness.
If you are fascinated by quantum physics, AI, consciousness, and the ultimate nature of reality—or if you simply believe that great health is about more than physical wellness—this is the conversation that will change how you think about connection, survival, and the possible futures of our species.
Pauls homepage: https://www.werbos.com/
Co‑creation disclaimer:This episode is an informal, personal‑capacity conversation and a creative co‑creation between host and guest. It does not represent official positions or statements of any company or institution. All views are the participants’ own.
Keywords: Paul Werbos, Entangled Health, quantum consciousness, noosphere, neural networks, backpropagation, spiritual science, soul, AI, National Science Foundation, retrocausality, tQuA, integrative health, quantum mind, science podcast, Thomas Ehmer, holistic health, future of health, ethics, quantum AI, spiritual connection, science and spirituality, artificial intelligence breakthroughs