In this podcast, we talk about the philosophy and meaning behind our logo of a white peace dove that is caught in a red interdiction circle – either wholly caught or partly escaping. Of course, the dove is a symbol of peace or harmony, or even a peace offering when it has an olive branch in its beak, as pictured in our logo. The red interdiction circle is an international symbol used on highways and products and written communications to mean “no,” “nay” or “prohibited.” Our symbol of the dove trapped in the interdiction circle is meant to indicate that homo sapiens must become conscious of their natural enemy-making tendencies in order to have any modicum of peace among ourselves. Peace will never come freely to the human world. We are naturally hostile beings, not naturally peaceful for all of the reasons we have pointed out in previous podcasts. We also talk about the actual source of the meme for our podcast: Leonard Cohen’s much-loved “Anthem” -- from which many people know the line “There’s a crack in everything and that’s how the light gets in,” but few know the line “The dove is never free.” Along the way, we speak about Real Dialogue and the path from war to wisdom.