Right after the 2024 US Presidential Election, Emme chats with Raluca Urea, a dear clowning, acting, and directing friend of hers from their grad school days at the University of the Arts with Pig Iron School's MFA in Devised Performance. Emme and Raluca were perfect misfits and worked together a bunch, and felt isolated in various ways by their differences -- so they talk about working in the US under unique circumstances, the challenge of managing your emotions without grace or understanding, various comparisons between the US in 2002 and 2017 and Germany and Romania, what it's like to be an immigrant. We also discuss black forest cake which we really should've touched on more, tbh. Head to Stuttgart to see theatre and look Raluca up -- ralucaurea.com.