You may not have heard OFF The Amen Break - but you've definitely heard it. This 6 second drum solo is the world's most used sample and appears in 6,000 other songs - from Slipknot the Futurama theme.

Alex shares the fascinating history behind The Amen Break, how it was discovered, what makes it so good and why copying other people's stuff in your art is a good thing actually.

In the moment of meta Katie talks about 2 new mottos that she believes are essential to enthusiasm:

1: It's OK to make mistakes

2: Don't blame others - or yourself

BTWs include:

Famous B-side songs that became more popular than the A-side

The Danish band that ALMOST became a hit in black dance clubs

Paying artists for their work

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