Dr. Gerd Gigerenzer is a renowned German psychologist and director emeritus at the Max Planck Institute for Human Development, widely recognized as a global authority on decision-making, heuristics, and risk literacy. In this conversation, Gigerenzer explains why AI excels only in stable, rule-based environments and struggles with uncertainty and human behavior. He critiques AGI hype and the myth of fully autonomous machines, arguing that fear of job-stealing robots is often misplaced. Instead, he warns that the real threat lies in surveillance capitalism, addictive digital environments, and the slow erosion of human autonomy and attention.