In this conversation with EdUp Provost host Dr. Gregor Thuswaldner, Dr. Naomi Zack discusses her book on rethinking affirmative action and DEI initiatives in higher education, advocating for a framework of multiplicity and belonging. She critiques the limitations of current approaches and emphasizes the importance of the humanities in fostering human well-being. The discussion also touches on the challenges of class and upward mobility for first-generation students, highlighting the need for a nuanced understanding in faculty development and curriculum design. In this conversation, Dr. Zack discusses the evolution of class theory, emphasizing a new perspective that allows individuals to embrace aspects of different social classes without abandoning their roots. She addresses the complexities of campus speech and the importance of reclaiming academic freedom amidst student activism. The dialogue also explores the dynamics of student protests, highlighting the need for better communication between faculty and students. Ethical considerations in higher education are examined, particularly regarding adjunct faculty and their treatment. Finally, Dr. Zack defines what it means to be 'College Smart' in today's context, advocating for flexibility and transparency in academic institutions, and reflects on the challenges of free speech on campus.Takeaways• Multiplicity allows for a broader understanding of student identities.• The humanities should focus on ethical dimensions and human well-being.• Class discussions are crucial for understanding first-generation students. The old theory of class assumes total identities determine interests.• New class theory allows for economic mobility without losing roots.• 'College Smart' requires flexibility and understanding of institutional dynamics.