In this episode, Bill Kelly speaks with Winston Ma, adjunct professor at NYU and former managing director at CIC, to unpack the intersection of tech, law, and finance in today’s AI-driven economy. Winston shares his career trajectory across legal, investment banking, and sovereign wealth fund sectors, highlighting how these disciplines now converge in shaping U.S. industrial policy. The conversation probes the growing role of government in private markets, focusing on strategic investments in rare earth materials, semiconductors, and AI. Winston offers perspective on the evolving U.S. sovereign wealth fund model, the influence of geopolitics on capital flows, and what this all means for institutional investors.