In this conversation, Mark Daly shares his journey from aspiring jazz musician to a prominent figure in AI at Western University. He discusses the importance of literature and diverse learning experiences in shaping his perspective. Mark reflects on philosophical insights from Dan Dennett, emphasizing the need for a careful approach to AI and its implications for society. He highlights the urgency of understanding AI's rapid evolution and the importance of early education in this field.

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Timestamps:

[00:00:00] Sponsor Message: Education Perfect

[00:00:36] Philosophical Reflection: “It Thinks”

[00:01:10] Introducing the Guest and Initial Reflections

[00:03:35] Mark Daley Joins the Podcast

[00:05:07] Daley’s Academic and Executive Roles

[00:06:49] Early Life and Music School Pivot

[00:07:29] Childhood Curiosity and Love of Reading

[00:08:36] Learning Interests and Interdisciplinary Thinking

[00:10:09] Educational Regrets and Life Philosophy

[00:11:29] Most Beautiful Recent Idea: Dan Dennett

[00:13:49] Personal Correspondence with Dan Dennett

[00:14:40] AI Personhood and the Intentional Stance

[00:16:32] Public Understanding and Urgency of AI

[00:18:07] GPT-3 as a Paradigm Shift in AI

[00:20:08] Basics of AI and the Need to Interact

[00:21:52] Why AI Must Be Studied in Schools

[00:22:02] Teaching Values Through AI Use

[00:23:27] AI as a Tool for Learning vs. Outsourcing

[00:23:55] A Vision for Utopian AI Governance

[00:25:40] Superintelligence and Human Meaning

[00:27:52] Alignment Problem and Philosophical Limits

[00:29:40] Superintelligence, Game Theory, and Nash Equilibrium

[00:31:18] Rebutting the Paperclip Maximizer

[00:32:57] Cognitive Agency and AI Reflection

[00:33:49] Societal Impacts of AI Deployment

[00:35:40] The Inevitability of Open-Source AI

[00:36:58] Everyday Objects as AI Interfaces

[00:38:32] Global Governance and AI Challenges

[00:38:49] Education as Preparation for Meaningful Life

[00:40:59] Universities as Humanistic Learning Hubs

[00:42:12] Ubiquitous Intelligence and Social Connection

[00:43:26] The Medium is the Message and Cognitive Offloading

[00:45:33] Socrates 2.0 and The Choice to Learn

[00:47:44] Designing an AI Course Rooted in Values

[00:49:26] Risks of Hyper-Specialization in the AI Era

[00:50:52] Back to Bloom: Personalized Learning for All

[00:53:00] Reimagining the Classroom Experience

[00:55:01] Soft Skills as the Future of Education

[00:55:18] Educator Roles and AI in Daily Operations

[00:57:29] Bottom-Up AI Innovation in School Systems

[00:59:05] Including All Staff in AI Literacy

[01:01:01] Teaching the Value of Struggle in Learning

[01:02:51] A Conversational Interface Anyone Can Use

[01:03:39] Magic Wand Vision for Education

[01:05:21] Human-Only Skills and Evolutionary Connection

[01:07:22] Book Recommendation: Monk and Robot by Becky Chambers

[01:09:02] Closing Reflections and Podcast Credits