In this layered conversation, host Dani sits down with Kellie Snider (@kelliesnider.art), a behavior analyst turned artist and author, to explore how upbringing, faith, and comfort can shape what we believe to be true.

Kellie opens up about her childhood in a fundamentalist Christian household, her journey through grief, Buddhism, and atheism, and the deep questions that sparked her decision to start speaking publicly about racism, power, and silence. Together, they unpack how white people are often trained not to ask questions, the psychology of obedience, and how systems preserve themselves by keeping communities divided.

They also reflect on how the church has been used historically as a vehicle for maintaining white supremacy, and whether it’s possible to separate individual believers from the institutions they inherited. With candid exchanges, personal stories, and honest questions, this episode invites listeners to sit with discomfort, explore personal accountability, and examine whether morality must be tied to religion.

Questions explored in this episode include:
What does it mean to purge yourself of false beliefs?
Why do so many people trust authority figures without question?
Is there really a meeting behind all this systemic design?
What role did religion play in shaping America's racial history?
Can people who were groomed by systems still choose something new?

This is a conversation about facing the uncomfortable, not with shame, but with the will to learn, to look honestly at the mirror, and to choose what kind of person you want to be moving forward.

✦ About the Creator:
Kellie Snider
Website: kelliesnider.com
Instagram: @kelliesnider.art
TikTok: @kelliesnider.art