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Drowned in Sound
Drowned in Sound
46 episodes
1 week ago
This weekly podcast explores how culture, politics, and the climate crisis are reshaping music. From AI and activism to festival futures and the collapse of local scenes, we treat music as an ecosystem, not just entertainment. Guests include artists, changemakers, and organisers reimagining what music can be. Subscribe and join the conversation. Hosted by Sean Adams, founder of Drowned in Sound
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This weekly podcast explores how culture, politics, and the climate crisis are reshaping music. From AI and activism to festival futures and the collapse of local scenes, we treat music as an ecosystem, not just entertainment. Guests include artists, changemakers, and organisers reimagining what music can be. Subscribe and join the conversation. Hosted by Sean Adams, founder of Drowned in Sound
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Drowned in Sound
How Lore, DIY Music Scenes & The Cure Inspired This Viral Tiktokker (And What Musicians Can Learn)
Nirvana, TikTok, analogue aesthetics, and virality don’t usually go together. Meet the creator who is bucking all the trends.
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1 week ago
42 minutes 4 seconds

Drowned in Sound
What Great Music Journalists Hear That Algorithms Miss: DiS meets Ilana Kaplan
Music discovery, algorithms, and the craft of music journalism: DiS meets Ilana Kaplan who has covered the early careers of now megastars like Billie EIlish and Halsey.
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2 weeks ago
59 minutes 20 seconds

Drowned in Sound
How to Use Social Media When You Hate It & Why Streaming Math Ain't Mathin' - Q&A Special
Q&A special: DiS founder Sean Adams explores the uncomfortable truths about streaming economics and social media burnout
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3 weeks ago
35 minutes 32 seconds

Drowned in Sound
How to Start a DIY Music Business Before You Feel Ready - Girls Twiddling Knobs on Mission Driven Music Careers
One for music producers and DIY business starters. Sean talks with Isobel Anderson, one of music tech’s most important feminist voices.
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4 weeks ago
59 minutes 52 seconds

Drowned in Sound
Mary Spender - Why Now Is Actually The Greatest Time for Independent Musicians
<p>While most music industry coverage focuses on (poly)crisis and collapse, Mary Spender argues we&#39;re living through the greatest era for independent artists in history.</p><p>But, but but... what about streaming economics, venue closures, and platform dependence? Don&#39;t worry, we get into it.</p><p>With over 100 million YouTube views, 34,000 newsletter subscribers, and significant album sales achieved before releasing a single track to streaming, Mary demonstrates there are viable alternatives to industry doom-spiralling. </p><p>In this conversation, she reveals her strategies for converting YouTube viewers into album buyers, why artists need to think like entrepreneurs, and what she&#39;d build with Spotify&#39;s $400 million Joe Rogan budget.</p><p>Sean also asks her about her recent video about why artists should embrace YouTube. Speaking of which, you will be able to see clips from this interview over on Drowned in Sound&#39;s YouTube: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@DrownedinSound" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">youtube.com/@DrownedinSound</a> </p><p><br></p><p><strong>Timestamps</strong></p><p>00:00 Sean&#39;s Intro</p><p>03:21 What will music be like in 2050?</p><p>06:25 Why artists should think like entrepreneurs</p><p>12:45 What does the future hold for independent artists?</p><p>16:56 The 1000 true fan theory</p><p>18:51 Should YouTube be the #1 platform for musicians?</p><p>24:36 Researching with an open mind. A rare skillset?</p><p>29:45 How to convert an audience from YouTube</p><p>34:17 What can the UK government do for music?</p><p>36:35 How would Mary spend the $400 million Spotify paid Joe Rogan?</p><p>38:39 Is long-form content on the return?</p><p>43:29 Sean&#39;s Outro</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Quotable Moments</strong><br><em>&quot;Technically it&#39;s never been a better time to be a musician than today, even though everyone likes to talk about the heyday. But that was for a very lucky few.&quot;</em> <br><em>&quot;If you don&#39;t have the grassroots, you don&#39;t have the artists in Wembley Stadium. Like you don&#39;t have that trajectory.&quot;</em> <br></p><p><strong>Continue the Conversation</strong>📧 Email sean@drownedinsound.org with your questions for future episodes🌐 Join the <a href="https://community.drownedinsound.org" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Drowned in Sound Community</a>📰 Subscribe to the <a href="https://drownedinsound.org" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Drowned in Sound newsletter</a></p><p><strong>Guest Links</strong><br><a href="https://youtube.com/maryspender" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Mary Spender&#39;s YouTube Channel</a><br><a href="https://maryspender.com" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Mary&#39;s website and newsletter</a><br><a href="https://nebula.tv/maryspender" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Dire Straits Documentary on Nebula</a></p><p><strong>Referenced in Episode</strong><br><a href="https://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Kevin Kelly&#39;s &quot;1000 True Fans&quot; essay</a><br></p><p><strong>About the Host:
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1 month ago
47 minutes 26 seconds

Drowned in Sound
DiSpatch: What a Glastonbury First-Timer Found - Hope, Love, Unity, Resistance & Joy
<p>What does it feel like to attend Glastonbury for the first time?</p><p>Music journalist <a href="https://www.emmabwilkes.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Emma Wilkes</a> brings us along for her debut pilgrimage to the UK&#39;s landmark musical gathering. She spins us a sonic diary with interviews from Terminal 1 and Laima Layton, along with reactions to some of the politically charged moments of the festival (shouts to Amyl and the Sniffers). </p><p>Along the way, there are vox pops with strangers, overlooked corners, and moments that slipped under the mainstream radar…</p><p>00:00 Introduction</p><p>01:51 Pre-festival preparation with Emma Wilkes</p><p>03:26 Attendees&#39; expectations of Glastonbury 2025</p><p>04:22 First impressions and Thursday observations</p><p>06:19 Terminal 1 and an interview with Laima Layton</p><p>18:32 The sounds of Worthy Farm</p><p>19:12 How does the real-life festival compare to the coverage seen previously?</p><p>21:45 The political moments of Glastonbury 2025</p><p>30:42 The journey home, the Tuesday after, and a summary from a slightly raspy Emma</p><p>34:11 Expectations vs. reality with the people of the festival</p><p><strong>Mentioned in the episode:</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.laimaleyton.com/music"><u>Laima Layton</u></a></p><p><a href="https://www.inplaceofwar.net/"><u>In Place Of War</u></a></p><p><a href="https://www.inplaceofwar.net/grrrl"><u>GRRRL</u></a></p><p><a href="https://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/areas/terminal-1/"><u>Terminal 1</u></a></p><p><a href="https://www.amylandthesniffers.com/"><u>Amyl and the Sniffers</u></a></p><p><a href="https://www.jadeofficial.com/"><u>JADE</u></a></p><p><a href="https://www.seunkutimusic.com/"><u>Seun Kuti</u></a></p><p><a href="https://www.marujaofficial.co.uk/"><u>Maruja</u></a></p><p><a href="https://www.lambrinigirlsband.co.uk/"><u>Lambrini Girls</u></a></p><ul><li><strong>Join the conversation: </strong><a href="https://community.drownedinsound.com/"><strong>Drowned in Sound Community</strong></a></li><li><strong>Email: </strong><a href="mailto:Sean@drownedinsound.org"><strong>sean@drownedinsound.org</strong></a></li><li><strong>Stay updated:</strong> <a href="https://www.drownedinsound.org/"><strong>Subscribe to DiS newsletter</strong></a><br></li></ul>
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1 month ago
37 minutes 4 seconds

Drowned in Sound
How Can Artists Build A Community? The Five Super Fans Theory
<p>How do you build genuine community when algorithms reward viral moments over real connection? What if sustainable music careers start with just five super fans rather than chasing millions of followers?</p><p>Drowned in Sound founder &amp; artist manager Sean Adams speaks with Nikki Camilleri - music strategist, Forbes 30 Under 30 honoree, and founder of mana - about the ground-level realities of building a music career in 2025. </p><p>From growing up in Malta and navigating geographic disadvantage to working with breakthrough artists like Cat Burns, Nikki breaks down what actually works in today&#39;s oversaturated landscape.</p><p>This conversation digs deep into authentic community-building versus audience accumulation, the &quot;five super fans&quot; principle that challenges conventional wisdom, and why most artist advice around social media is fundamentally broken. </p><p>Plus: Nikki&#39;s vision for fixing music industry infrastructure by 2050, including transparency tools and direct fan connection platforms that don&#39;t rely on algorithmic gatekeepers.</p><p><strong>&quot;You need five super fans to start getting going - that&#39;s equal to about 250 passive fans. When you start looking at it that way, it doesn&#39;t seem as daunting.&quot;</strong></p><p><em>— Nikki Camilleri on why quality beats quantity in fan building</em></p><p><strong>Episode Timestamps:</strong></p><ul><li>00:00 Introduction: Music Reality Check for 2025</li><li>02:03 Envisioning Music in 2050: Transparency and Infrastructure</li><li>04:34 The Malta Factor: Geographic Disadvantage in Digital Times</li><li>08:26 The Resilience Crisis: From &quot;Ready to Fight&quot; to Viral Expectations</li><li>16:28 Five Super Fans vs Viral Algorithms: Quality Over Quantity</li><li>20:14 Real Community vs Audience: Building Genuine Connection</li><li>32:15 Artist Purpose and Identity: The &quot;Horror Electronica&quot; Story</li><li>39:21 Fixing the Industry: Where Would You Spend Spotify&#39;s Money?</li><li>44:48 Key Takeaways: What Actually Works</li></ul><p><br></p><p><strong>Mentioned in the episode:</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.nikkicamilleri.com/">Nikki Camilleri</a></p><p><a href="https://hq.rostr.cc/">ROSTR</a></p><p><a href="https://www.thersa.org/">Royal Society of Arts</a></p><p><a href="http://volt.fm">Volt.fm</a></p><p><a href="https://www.katforillinois.com/">Kat Abu</a></p><p><a href="https://theanchoress.co.uk/">The Anchoress</a></p><p><a href="https://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Kevin Kelly on 1000 True Fans</a></p><p>Join the conversation: <a href="https://community.drownedinsound.com/">Drowned in Sound Community</a></p><p>Email<strong> </strong><a href="mailto:podcasts@drownedinsound.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer"><strong>podcasts@drownedinsound.org</strong></a><strong> </strong></p><p><br></p><p><a href="https://www.drownedinsound.org/"><strong>Subscribe to DiS newsletter</strong></a></p><p><br></p>
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1 month ago
47 minutes 41 seconds

Drowned in Sound
How Music Supports Mental Health with Ariana Alexander-Sefre (SPOKE)
<p>What does it mean to “metabolize” emotion through music? Do wellness tools actually work better when paired with your favourite artist? Why does the music industry treat artists like products and not caregivers?</p><p>Drowned in Sound founder Sean Adams is joined by Ariana Alexander-Sefre, co-founder of the mental health app <a href="https://spoke.world/"><strong>SPOKE</strong>⁠</a>, to talk about the future of therapy and how music can play a pivotal role in that. The conversation explores the science behind sound, the emotional toll on musicians, and why music should be taken seriously as a public health tool.</p><p>Spoke has worked with over 100 artists, training them in techniques like CBT and mindfulness to embed into lyrics and melodies - and the results are changing lives.</p><p><strong>Episode chapters:</strong></p><p>0:00 - 2:45 - Introduction</p><p>2:46 - 4:55  What would Ariana hope music to be like in 2050?</p><p>4:56 - 7:46 Using music to “metabolize” emotions</p><p>7:47 - 11:50 Who are SPOKE and who is Ariana Alexandre-Sefre</p><p>11:51 - 13:42 The relationship between music and mental health</p><p>13:43 -  20:28 Inside the SPOKE app - embedding music with culture with therapy</p><p>20:29 - 31:18 Why the music industry needs a fresh perspective on artist value</p><p>31:19 - 37:08 The science behind functional music and mindfulness</p><p>38:09 - 40:04 The real-world impact of therapy delivered through music</p><p>40:05 - 48:08 Can artists become a recognised part of healthcare?</p><p>48:09 - 54:13 - Closing thoughts from Sean</p><p><strong>Mentioned in the episode:</strong></p><p><a href="https://www.musicmindsmatter.org.uk/"><u>Music Minds Matter</u></a></p><p><a href="https://www.sallyannegross.com/can-music-make-you-sick"><u>Can Music Make You Sick? (Sally Anne Gross)</u></a></p><p><a href="https://monorailmusic.com/product/mood-machine-the-rise-of-spotify-and-the-cost-of-the-perfect-playlist/"><u>Mood Machine: The Rise of Spotify and the Cost of the Perfect Playlist (Liz Pelly)</u></a></p><p><a href="https://endel.io/"><u>Endel</u></a></p><p><strong>Join the conversation: </strong><a href="https://community.drownedinsound.com/"><strong>Drowned in Sound Community</strong></a></p><p><strong>Email: </strong><a href="mailto:Sean@drownedinsound.org"><strong>sean@drownedinsound.org</strong></a></p><p><a href="https://www.drownedinsound.org/"><strong>Subscribe to DiS newsletter</strong></a></p><p><br></p>
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1 month ago
54 minutes 13 seconds

Drowned in Sound
Can You Hear Earth Singing? Meet Musicians Using Sound to Protect the Planet
<p>What does a melting glacier sound like? Can a rainforest sing? And what happens when the last bird of its species hears a recording and tries to reply?</p><p>In this special live edition of the Drowned in Sound Podcast, recorded at <a href="http://www.tmw.ee" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Tallinn Music Week</a>, host Sean Adams moderates a powerful conversation on music, ecology, and collective action. Joined by artists and innovators from the EarthSonic project, the panel explores how field recordings, plant biofeedback, and immersive sound can shift our understanding of the planet — and why that emotional shift matters.</p><p>From Brazil’s disappearing biodiversity to sound fossils in the Swiss Alps, this episode weaves together music, activism, and indigenous wisdom in an urgent yet hopeful conversation about art’s role in averting climate collapse.</p><p>Plus Ruth from In Place of War reveals their new project with Bicep in Greenland that launches in summer 2025.</p><p><br></p><p>Featured Guests &amp; Projects:</p><ul><li><a href="https://naturalsymphony.co.uk">⁠Natural Symphony (Joey Dean)⁠</a></li><li><a href="https://www.ludwigberger.com">⁠Ludwig Berger⁠</a></li><li><a href="https://inplaceofwar.net">⁠In Place of War / EarthSonic (Ruth Daniel)⁠</a></li><li><a href="https://www.martynwareofficial.co.uk">⁠Martyn Ware (Heaven 17 / Human League)⁠</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p>Episode Highlights &amp; Timestamps:</p><ul><li><strong>03:00</strong> – Ruth Daniel on the origins of In Place of War and EarthSonic</li><li><strong>06:00</strong> – Ludwig Berger: Listening to melting glaciers through hydrophones</li><li><strong>11:00</strong> – Martyn Ware (Heaven 17/The Human League) on sonifying endangered species and synthetic forests</li><li><strong>17:00</strong> – Natural Symphony: Collaborating with plants and reforesting the Amazon</li><li><strong>27:00</strong> – The power of sound to bridge disconnection and inspire action</li><li><strong>33:00</strong> – Building cultural change through art and emotional resonance</li><li><strong>39:00</strong> – Sound healing, deep listening, and making the unseen audible</li><li><strong>45:00</strong> – What capitalism doesn’t want us to feel — and why art matters</li><li><strong>52:00</strong> – Indigenous wisdom, urban detachment, and finding your own tree</li><li><strong>58:00</strong> – Hopeful projects, collective agency, and calling in the music industry</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Mentioned in the Episode:</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.earthsonic.org/releases" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">&quot;The Last Scream&quot; new release</a></li><li><a href="https://www.crying-glacier.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Crying Glacier movie</a></li></ul><ul><li><a href="https://pro.tmw.ee/schedule/232" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">EarthSonic panel replay via the TMW.EE website</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p>Join the Conversation:</p><ul><li><a href="https://community.drownedinsound.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Drowned in Sound Community</a></li><li>Email Sean → <a href=
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4 months ago
1 hour 4 minutes 33 seconds

Drowned in Sound
Synths, Sound & Music’s Future with Martyn Ware (The Human League / Heaven 17 / BEF / Electronically Yours podcast)
<p>What did the future sound like when the synthesizer first arrived? What does it feel like now, with AI looming and immersive audio spaces on the rise?</p><p>In this special episode of the <strong>Drowned in Sound Podcast</strong>, recorded at <a href="https://tmw.ee/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer"><strong>Tallinn Music Week</strong></a>, <strong>Sean Adams</strong> speaks with <strong>Martyn Ware</strong> — founder of The Human League and Heaven 17, producer for acts ranging from Tina Turner to Erasure, and creator of some of the UK’s most ambitious sound installations.</p><p>This is a conversation about optimism and dystopia, about punk and purpose, and about how DIY culture in Sheffield shaped a career that’s still future-facing today.</p><p>Martyn also reflects on his podcast <em>Electronically Yours</em>, the legacy of sound, and how creative freedom can reshape confidence, community, and cultural memory.</p><p> Timestamps &amp; Topics:</p><ul><li><strong>01:32</strong> – Synths, Sheffield, and starting out</li><li><strong>07:00</strong> – Curiosity and creative confidence</li><li><strong>10:00</strong> – From charts to immersive installations</li><li><strong>14:30</strong> – Podcasting and preserving legacy</li><li><strong>20:00</strong> – What would a Martyn Ware bar sound like?</li><li><strong>25:00</strong> – Optimism, memory, and what comes next</li></ul><p><br></p><p> Further Listening &amp; Resources:</p><ul><li>🎙️ <a href="https://www.martynwareofficial.co.uk/electronically-yours" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Electronically Yours podcast</a></li><li>🔊 <a href="https://illustriouscompany.co.uk" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Illustrious Company (immersive audio)</a></li><li>🧠 <a href="https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/soundscape-sounds-of-our-shores.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sounds of Our Shores installation</a><em></em></li></ul><p><br></p><p>Stay Connected:</p><ul><li>🗣 <a href="https://community.drownedinsound.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Drowned in Sound Community</a></li><li>📩 Email Sean → <a href="mailto:sean@drownedinsound.org">sean@drownedinsound.org</a></li><li>🔵 <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/drownedinsound.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Follow Sean on Bluesky</a></li><li>📰 <a href="https://drownedinsound.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Subscribe to the DiS Newsletter</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p>About the Guest:</p><p><strong>Martyn Ware</strong> is a pioneering British musician, producer, and sound artist. As a founding member of <strong>The Human League</strong> and <strong>Heaven 17</strong>, and co-founder of <strong>British Electric Foundation</strong>, he helped define the sound of synth-pop while pushing boundaries in spatial audio, immersive installations, and political music-making. He also hosts the acclaimed podcast <em>Electronically Yours</em>.</p><p>About the Host:</p><p><strong>Sean Adams</strong> turned his passion for music into <a href="https://drownedinsound.org" tar
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4 months ago
31 minutes 11 seconds

Drowned in Sound
Offline Joy: The Do-It-Together Spirit Fueling Stealing Sheep’s New Era
<p>What&#39;s it like to be an artist right now? And what does the future of music look like? Will it be AI-generated slop or a joyful return to community and creativity? </p><p>In this episode of the <strong>Drowned in Sound Podcast</strong>, <strong>Sean Adams</strong> speaks to <strong>Becky Hawley</strong> from the art-pop trio <strong>Stealing Sheep</strong>.</p><p>From the launch of their new label <strong>G-IRL (Girl In Real Life)</strong> to their reflections on DIY culture, Liverpool’s music scene, and 15 years of creative evolution, this episode is full of inspiring insights about building something real in a digital world. Expect discussion of Daft Punk, community over algorithms, mechanical bulls, offline joy, and what it really means to be a band in 2025.</p><p>📌 Key Timestamps:</p><ul><li><strong>00:00</strong> – Intro &amp; New Album Campaign</li><li><strong>01:56</strong> – What Will Music Be Like in 2050?</li><li><strong>04:54</strong> – Joy, Fears, and Creative Challenges</li><li><strong>07:19</strong> – The Sound of Stealing Sheep: Riding the Bull of Tech</li><li><strong>10:37</strong> – G-IRL: Launching Their Own Record Label</li><li><strong>20:33</strong> – Liverpool as Inspiration &amp; Music City</li><li><strong>25:23</strong> – Album Campaign Concepts &amp; Offline Joy</li><li><strong>29:18</strong> – Let’s Go! New Single &amp; Album Themes</li><li><strong>30:59</strong> – Artistic Identity, Collaborations &amp; Creative Growth</li><li><strong>33:50</strong> – Lessons Learned from 15 Years in Music</li><li><strong>38:05</strong> – Building Community, Offline Spaces, &amp; Human Connection</li><li><strong>42:57</strong> – Supporting Grassroots Scenes</li><li><strong>49:01</strong> – AI, Future Tech &amp; Music’s Utopian Possibilities</li><li><strong>52:21</strong> – Final Reflections: What Artists Need to Unlearn</li></ul><p><br></p><p>Links</p><ul><li><a href="https://g-irl.bandcamp.com/track/lets-go" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">New Single “Let’s Go”</a></li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/NAwD31GrBLw?si=hdZZpNp9r7rjqL9p" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Watch the Music Video</a></li><li><a href="https://www.tattydevine.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Tatty Devine Collab</a></li><li><a href="https://www.guerrillagirls.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Guerrilla Girls</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p>Join the Conversation:</p><ul><li>🗣 <a href="https://community.drownedinsound.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Drowned in Sound Community</a></li><li>📩 Email Sean → <a href="mailto:sean@drownedinsound.org">sean@drownedinsound.org</a></li><li>🔵 <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/drownedinsound.bsky.social" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Follow on Bluesky</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p>About the Guest:</p><p><strong>Becky Hawley</strong> is one-third of <strong>Stealing Sheep</strong>, a Liverpool-based band known for their innovative, genre-defying sound. The trio recently lau
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4 months ago
59 minutes 11 seconds

Drowned in Sound
A Goth Walked Into Nature To Make a Radio Show. A Zine Walked Out.
<p>A conversation about <em>Fresh Hell</em>, subcultures in nature, and shifting the climate narrative through creativity.</p><p>In this episode of the podcast that maps what music will be like in 2050 by meeting cultural changemakers and pioneers, Sean Adams explores how the <em>Fresh Hell</em> zine - a collaboration between creatives from the agency Iris and Purpose Disruptors (<a href="https://www.agencyfornature.com/season-two/fresh-hell" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">download it here</a>) - reframes our relationship with nature through goth culture, beauty, and imagination. </p><p>Featuring clips from Freya Beer’s special Gothic Disco radio broadcast recorded at Walthamstow Wetlands (<a href="https://www.mixcloud.com/IslingtonRadio/gothic-disco-with-freya-beer-31012025/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">listen to it on Mixcloud here</a>), featuring reflections from Lira Valencia and Chris Packham, which inspired the zine, we explore what happens when goth culture meets the natural world.</p><p>This conversation with Purpose Disruptors who run the Agency for Nature &amp; the creators of Fresh Hell zine, examines how creativity can help us move from awe of the natural world to cultural transformation—and what musicians, media, and fans can do to help shift the climate crisis narrative.</p><p><strong>Aimee Brewerton</strong> – Comms &amp; Engagement Manager at Purpose Disruptors, working across climate-focused storytelling, brand strategy, and cultural transformation.</p><p><strong>Nicole Vanner</strong> – Designer at Iris, co-creator of <em>Fresh Hell</em>, blending gothic subculture with natural aesthetics in visual communication.</p><p><strong>Andrew Hadley</strong> – Copywriter at Iris, co-author of <em>Fresh Hell</em>, exploring language that rewilds desire and reframes our connection to nature.</p><p><strong>Purpose Disruptors</strong> – A UK-based network of 5,000+ creative professionals transforming the advertising industry to align with climate goals and societal well-being.</p><p><strong>Iris</strong> – A global creative agency known for working with progressive brands and championing purpose-driven campaigns.</p><p><strong>Agency for Nature</strong> – A project platform by Purpose Disruptors that reimagines communications through a regenerative, nature-first lens — including campaigns like <em>Fresh Hell</em>.</p><p><strong> Episode Summary &amp; Timestamps:</strong></p><ul><li>00:00 Introduction: Can Music Change the Climate Conversation?</li><li>00:31 Exploring the Goths in Nature Project</li><li>01:23 Meeting the Change Makers</li><li>04:20 Chris Packham&#39;s Punk and Nature Connection</li><li>06:52 The Future of Our Planet in 2050</li><li>11:27 Purpose Disruptors: Changing the Advertising Narrative</li><li>14:17 Creating the Goths in Nature Magazine</li><li>25:09 The Role of Nature in Mental Health</li><li>30:01 Spotting the Moor Hen</li><li>30:52 Goth Music and Personal Favorites</li><li>31:20 From Radio Show to Zine</li><li>32:44 Chris Packham&#39;s Contribution</li><li>35:04 Celebrating Nature and Subculture</li><li>38:49 Nature as a Client</li><li>40:00 Collaborative Efforts and Creative Freedom</li><li>48:01 Impact and Mindset Shift</li><li>58:39 Future Hopes and Accountability</li><li>01:08:32 Final Thoughts and Call to Action<br></li></ul><p><br></p><
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4 months ago
1 hour 13 minutes 11 seconds

Drowned in Sound
Are Cover Bands Killing Music Scenes? (Q&A Episode)
<p>Drowned in Sound founder and DiS podcast host, Sean Adams answers your questions. Send Qs for future episodes to sean@drownedinsound.org.</p><p>Links mentioned in this episode</p><ul><li>Article: <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/03/oscar-winner-shoutout-london-music-venue-cafe-oto-brutalist" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Cafe Oto at Oscars - The Guardian</a></li><li>Artist Recommendation: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ninaversyp/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Nina Versyp</a></li><li>Artist Recommendation: <a href="https://ttssfu.bandcamp.com/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">TTSSFU</a></li><li>Artist Recommendation: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@maellamusic/videos" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Maella</a> </li><li>Video: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92sEs3BkPUo" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Apple on Dolby Atmos</a></li><li>Ticket App: <a href="https://dice.fm/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Dice</a></li><li>Link: <a href="https://timstwitterlisteningparty.com/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Tim Burgess listening party</a></li><li>Article: <a href="https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/1458" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Bjork immersive album Bowers + Wilkins </a></li><li>Drink: <a href="https://www.brennivin.com/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Icelandic drink Black Death</a></li><li>Venue Recommendation: <a href="https://thetradesclub.com/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Trades Club in Hebden Bridge</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p>Music by Sound Mirror, available on Bandcamp here: <a href="https://sound-mirror.bandcamp.com/album/lake-wind-water-mountain" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">https://sound-mirror.bandcamp.com/album/lake-wind-water-mountain </a></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Your Questions:</strong></p><p>Alex Lee Thompson: Are ”scenes” over? Unpack that question as you like</p><p>Simon Marshall: After the excellent live bands to look out for article, sponsored by <a href="https://www.seetickets.com/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Seetickets</a>, I would be interested in your views on the ticket selling part of the music industry - as a music consumer the DICE app was and is a revelation, what is your experience, and what is the best place to buy to support artists and venues? </p><p>Ear Protect Req: What three bands or artists should we be checking out live?</p><p>Soundmirrorworld: Will the Atmos, immersive audio bubble burst? Or keep going ’til we’re full frontal?</p><p>Alex Botten: What do you think about the hoards of zombie cover bands eating up local venues. Are they helping or hurting the scene? (I believe profoundly hurting)</p><p>Eric Weiner: Would love to hear your thoughts on the listening party. Are they ever any good? What’s the perfect album release party?</p><p><br></p><p>Grimes quote in full: Honestly the thing I like most about k pop is its an actual scene - reminds me Canadian punk scenes or the indie scene  back in the day where like if your integrated enough there&
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5 months ago
24 minutes 54 seconds

Drowned in Sound
The Report That Shook the Music Industry & Exposed Inequality
<p>Why does gender bias still dominate radio airplay? And how did one data report force the industry to face its inequalities?</p><p>In this episode of the Drowned in Sound Podcast, Sean Adams talks to Linda Coogan Byrne, activist and music consultant behind the <a href="https://whynother.eu/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer">Why Not Her? campaign</a>. </p><p>Her reports have exposed gender and racial disparities in radio airplay, driving real industry change. </p><p>This conversation reveals how data is power or as Linda puts it,  “the data validates lived experiences.”</p><p>00:00 – Introduction: How One Report Changed Music<br>01:45 – Meet Linda Coogan Byrne &amp; Her Data Reports<br>04:30 – The Shocking Gender Disparity in Radio<br>07:00 – Industry Reactions: Denial, Excuses &amp; Pushback<br>11:00 – Thin Lizzy, Protest Billboards &amp; Music Activism<br>15:30 – Has the Industry Improved or Is It Lip Service?<br>21:00 – Can Music Ever Be Equal?<br>30:00 – Why Not Everyone Can Be an Activist<br>38:00 – What Needs to Change for Lasting Equality?<br>45:00 – How Data Holds Power to Account<br>50:00 – Final Thoughts &amp; Actionable Takeaways</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Links</strong></p><p>Why Not Her? Reports → <a href="https://whynother.eu/data-reports">https://whynother.eu/data-reports</a><br>Gender Bias in UK Radio – The Guardian → <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/aug/21/female-british-artists-underrepresented-on-uk-radio-survey-finds">https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/aug/21/female-british-artists-underrepresented-on-uk-radio-survey-finds</a><br> Book More Women (Festival Representation) → <a href="https://www.instagram.com/bookmorewomen/">https://www.instagram.com/bookmorewomen/</a><br>Activist Recommendations:</p><ul><li>Mona Eltahawy → <a href="https://www.instagram.com/monaeltahawy">https://www.instagram.com/monaeltahawy</a></li><li>Emma Dabiri - Don’t Touch My Hair → <a href="https://uk.bookshop.org/a/14603/9780141986289">https://uk.bookshop.org/a/14603/9780141986289</a></li><li>Mary Beard - Women &amp; Power → <a href="https://uk.bookshop.org/a/14603/9781788160612">https://uk.bookshop.org/a/14603/9781788160612</a></li><li>Ijeoma Oluo - Mediocre → <a href="https://uk.bookshop.org/a/14603/9781529353839">https://uk.bookshop.org/a/14603/9781529353839</a></li><li>Check My Ads (Ad Funding &amp; Misinformation) → <a href="https://checkmyads.org/">https://checkmyads.org/</a></li></ul><p><br></p><p>🗣 Discuss this episode over on the Drowned in Sound Community → <a href="https://community.drownedinsound.com/">https://community.drownedinsound.com/</a><br>📩 Email Sean → <a href="mailto:sean@drownedinsound.org">sean@drownedinsound.org</a><br>🔵 Follow on Bluesky → <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/drownedinsound.bsky.social">https://bsky.app/profile/drownedinsound.bsky.social</a><br>📩 Get the DiS Newsletter → <a href="https://drownedinsound.org/">https://drownedinsound.org</a></p><p><br></p><p><strong>ABOUT THE GUEST</strong></p><p>Linda Coogan Byrne is a music industry consultant, publicist, and activist known for her gender &amp; racial disparity data reports. She is the CEO of Good Seed PR and founder of Why Not Her?, a campaign pushing for cultural change in music. Her work has influenced radio airplay, festival bookings
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5 months ago
1 hour 9 minutes 27 seconds

Drowned in Sound
How Do We Save Our Music Scenes? Meet Sound Diplomacy’s Shain Shapiro
<p>What makes a great music city? How do governments, venues, and fans keep local music scenes alive? And why is music still not treated as an essential part of a city’s economy?</p><p>In this episode of the <a href="http://drownedinsound.org/"><strong>Drowned in Sound</strong></a><strong> Podcast</strong>, <strong>Sean Adams</strong> speaks with <strong>Shain Shapiro</strong>, founder of <a href="https://www.sounddiplomacy.com/">Sound Diplomacy</a> and a leading advocate for integrating music into urban policy. Shain has advised cities and governments worldwide on how to invest in music, build better infrastructure, and ensure that artists and venues don’t just survive but thrive.</p><p><br></p><p>The future of music scenes isn’t just about artists - it’s about infrastructure, investment, and policy. Without real change, we risk losing the cultural spaces that make music thrive.</p><p>Topics Covered:</p><p>The future of music cities: Why local scenes are vital and how they can be protected</p><p>Music as an economic and public good: Why governments should treat music like any other essential sector</p><p>Emerging music markets: Where the global music hotspots of the future might be</p><p>Live Nation: How monopolies shape local music ecosystems</p><p>The importance of local media and community spaces in sustaining music scenes</p><p>How cities can future-proof music amid climate, economic, and technological shifts</p><p><br></p><p>Shain Shapiro explains: <em>“We don’t make data-driven decisions about music the way we do about transit, healthcare, or housing, yet music is an essential part of a city’s fabric.”</em></p><p><br></p><p>Episode Highlights & Timestamps:</p><p><strong>00:00</strong> – Introduction: Can We Save Our Music Scenes?</p><p><strong>01:04</strong> – The Future of Music: What Will 2050 Sound Like?</p><p><strong>02:33</strong> – The Big Challenges Facing the Music Industry</p><p><strong>04:44</strong> – Music as an Economic & Public Good: Why Governments Should Care</p><p><strong>09:11</strong> – Shain’s Journey: From Record Shops to Global Music Policy</p><p><strong>14:08</strong> – Music Cities: How Governments Can Invest in Local Scenes</p><p><strong>19:51</strong> – Global Music Growth: Why Africa & Southeast Asia Are the Future</p><p><strong>28:25</strong> – Community & Local Government’s Role in Music Sustainability</p><p><strong>35:50</strong> – The Live Nation Monopoly, Local Media, & How Cities Can Push Back</p><p><strong>40:00</strong> – Final Thoughts: What Needs to Change & What Fans Can Do</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Further Reading & Resources:</p><p><a href="https://www.sounddiplomacy.com/">Sound Diplomacy</a> – Leading global consultancy on music and city planning</p><p><a href="https://makingplacesbetter.substack.com/">Making Places Better Newsletter</a> – Shain Shapiro’s insights on improving urban spaces through music and culture</p><p><a href="https://musicvenuetrust.com/">Music Venue Trust</a> – Protecting grassroots venues</p><p><a href="https://cardiffmusicboard.wales/">Cardiff Music Strategy</a> – A model for city-led music investment</p><p><a href="https://www.factor.ca/">Fonds de la Musique Canada</a> – Canada’s fundin
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5 months ago
40 minutes 3 seconds

Drowned in Sound
Festivals For Future: Frances Fox on Music’s Role in Climate Justice
<p>Music has long been a force for change but as extreme weather disrupts events and the industry grapples with its own environmental footprint, can music be a meaningful part of the climate justice movement?</p><p>In episode 2 of season 3 of the Drowned in Sound Podcast, <strong>Sean Adams</strong> speaks with <strong>Frances Fox</strong>, founder of <a href="https://climatelive.org/">Climate Live</a> and a leader in the <strong>UK’s youth climate strikes</strong>. </p><p>Frances shares her journey from music fan to activist, why festivals are powerful spaces for engagement, and how the music industry can move beyond greenwashing to drive real action.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>This episode explores:</strong></p><p>Why <strong>festivals are at risk from the climate crisis</strong></p><p>How <strong>music fans can help shape the climate conversation</strong></p><p>The <strong>role of artists, venues & labels</strong> in pushing for a sustainable future</p><p>The reality of <strong>music’s carbon footprint</strong> and what needs to change</p><p>The <strong>Solar-Powered Pink Bus</strong>—and why Climate Live is taking a message of climate justice straight to festival crowds whilst applying glitter and temporary tattoos</p><p><br></p><p>From <strong>touring impacts</strong> to <strong>activism strategies</strong>, this episode breaks down the intersection of <strong>music and climate justice</strong>, offering real insights into what fans, artists, and the industry can do next.</p><p><br></p><p><em>“Engaging the unengaged is my jam—when you meet people where they're at, like at a festival, it's very chill.” </em></p><p><strong>– Frances Fox</strong></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Episode Highlights:</strong></p><p>00:00 – Introduction: Can Music Be a Force for Climate Justice?05:00 – Frances Fox’s Journey: From Festival-Goer to Climate Activist09:20 – Festivals & Climate Change: How Extreme Weather Is Reshaping Live Music15:40 – Touring, Vinyl & Streaming: The Hidden Environmental Cost of Music22:00 – The Solar-Powered Pink Bus: Taking Climate Conversations to Festivals30:00 – Roles in the Resistance: How Fans & Artists Can Push for Industry Change40:00 – Call to Action: What’s Next & How Listeners Can Get Involved</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Further Reading & Resources:</strong></p><p><strong>Climate Live</strong> – <a href="https://climatelive.org/">Join the movement and apply to perform</a></p><p><strong>Fridays for Future</strong> – <a href="https://fridaysforfuture.org/">Global climate strike movement</a></p><p><strong>Choked Up</strong> – <a href="https://www.chokedup.org.uk/">Campaigning for air quality in marginalized communities</a></p><p><strong>Disha Ravi</strong> – <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disha_Ravi">Indian climate activist's Wiki</a></p><p><strong>Roles in the Resistance Poster</strong> – <a href="https://www.tolmeiagregory.com/product/climate-action-roles-poster-download/">Find your place in climate activism</a></p><p><strong>Julie's Bicycle</strong> – <a href="https://juliesbicycle.com/">Sustainability in the creative arts</a></p><p><strong>Tori Tsui</strong> –<a href="https://www.toritsui.com/"> Climate ac
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5 months ago
1 hour 5 minutes 32 seconds

Drowned in Sound
How We Open Music’s Doors to Everyone (Not Just the Rich)
<p><em>From grassroots venues and youth music programs to Mercury Prize winners, early support shapes who gets to make music—and who doesn’t.</em> But is access to music <strong>a right or a privilege?</strong></p><p><em>Music should be for everyone - but is it becoming a luxury only the privileged can afford?</em></p><p>Episode one of season 3 of the DiS podcast, explores how <strong>Youth Music </strong>-<strong></strong>a UK charity funding grassroots projects - is fighting to create fairer opportunities for young musicians facing financial, social, and industry barriers.</p><p>In this episode of the <strong>Drowned in Sound Podcast</strong>, <strong>Sean Adams</strong> speaks with <strong>Matt Griffiths, CEO of Youth Music</strong>, about hidden inequalities in the music industry and the work being done to create opportunities for the next generation of musicians.</p><p>From youth-led projects and grassroots funding to the systemic barriers keeping working-class musicians out, this episode explores how music’s future can be more inclusive, diverse, and fair.</p><p>This episode also features <strong>Ezra Collective’s Mercury Prize-winning speech</strong>, where they credit their success to the support they received early on:</p><p><em>“This is not just Ezra Collective’s moment, this is a moment for every single organisation that’s championing young people making music.”</em></p><p><strong>Read the full speech here:</strong><a href="https://www.thelineofbestfit.com/news/read-ezra-collectives-inspiring-mercury-prize-acceptance-speech-in-full">The Line of Best Fit</a></p><p>The Drowned in Sound Podcast maps the future of music and explores what&#39;s happening in the industry right now, with a strong moral compass. It connects music, culture, and ethics, offering deep dives into the issues shaping the way we create, consume, and sustain music.</p><p>Why This Matters:</p><p>Music has the power to change lives - but only if <strong>everyone</strong> has the chance to participate. <strong>Rising costs, funding cuts, and industry gatekeeping</strong> are making it harder than ever for working-class musicians to break through. In this episode, we explore <strong>what’s at stake, what’s changing, and how we can fight for a better future in music.</strong></p><p>Topics Covered:</p><ul> <li><strong>Why music is increasingly a career for the privileged</strong></li> <li><strong>From youth projects to Mercury Prizes: why access matters</strong></li> <li><strong>How the industry is shutting out working-class talent</strong></li> <li><strong>The critical role of Youth Music in opening doors</strong></li> <li><strong>The funding crisis: why 25% of grassroots projects are at risk</strong></li> <li><strong>“It’s not a pipeline, it’s flight pathways” – how opportunity shapes careers</strong></li> <li><strong>What real change looks like - and how to make it happen</strong></li></ul><p><br></p><p>Further Reading:</p><ul> <li><strong>Youth Music</strong> – Find out more and get involved: <a href="https://youthmusic.org.uk/">https://youthmusic.org.uk/</a></li> <li><strong>&quot;I Will Forever Remain Faithful&quot; Essay</strong> – Read more: <a href="https://oxfordamerican.org/magazine/issue-62-fall-2008/i-will-forever-remain-faithful">Oxford American</a></li> <li><strong>Drowned in S
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6 months ago
45 minutes 49 seconds

Drowned in Sound
Will music survive the next 25 years? - Season 3 Prologue
<p>How will music survive until 2050? Will streaming monopolies and economic pressures lead to music’s decline, or can we build a fairer, more sustainable future?</p><p><br></p><p>In this season three prologue of the <strong>Drowned in Sound Podcast</strong>, host <strong>Sean Adams</strong> (<strong>founder of Drowned in Sound</strong>) reflects on his <strong>lifelong love of music</strong>, the <strong>systemic challenges facing artists</strong>, and what the next 25 years could mean for <strong>independent musicians, grassroots venues, and the future of the industry</strong>.</p><p><br></p><p>In this series, expect <strong>big questions, deep dives, and conversations with artists, industry leaders, and changemakers</strong> who are shaping what comes next.</p><p><br></p><p>Drowned in Sound’s podcast is about <strong>a life built around music</strong>—but also how music <strong>shapes culture, communities, and change</strong>.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Topics in this episode:</strong></p><p>Why <strong>grassroots venues</strong> are struggling</p><p>How <strong>streaming giants</strong> control music discovery</p><p>The <strong>economic realities</strong> of being an artist today</p><p>Lessons from <strong>past music movements</strong> and how they shaped the industry</p><p><br></p><p>Why <strong>music’s future</strong> depends on the choices we make now</p><p><br></p><p>🎵 <strong>Music by Sound Mirror</strong> – <a href="https://www.soundmirror.co.uk/">https://www.soundmirror.co.uk/</a></p><p><br></p><p>📩 <strong>Subscribe to the Drowned in Sound newsletter</strong>: <a href="http://drownedinsound.org/">http://drownedinsound.org</a></p><p><br></p><p>00:00 Introduction: The Future of Music in 2050</p><p>00:25 Personal Journey with Music</p><p>01:45 Climate Activism & Music’s Role in Change</p><p>02:20 Challenges Facing Artists & the Music Industry</p><p>03:34 Streaming, Labels & Who Holds the Power</p><p>06:13 Economic Disparities & the Struggles of Independent Artists</p><p>07:36 The Importance of Community in Music</p><p>10:46 Conclusion: The Power & Potential of Music</p><p><br></p><p>What do you think <strong>the future of music</strong> looks like?What <strong>challenges</strong> should the industry fix first?</p><p><br></p><p>💬 Leave a review on your podcast app.</p><p><br></p><p>🔔 <strong>Follow, rate & subscribe</strong> to never miss an episode.</p>
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6 months ago
14 minutes 31 seconds

Drowned in Sound
Introducing... 2025 Theme: What will music be like in 2050?
<p>This year marks 25 years since Drowned in Sound launched, and rather than obsessing about the past, we will be gazing into the future, trying to work out what music will be like in 2050.</p><p>In this prologue episode, Sean Adams, the founder of Drowned in Sound, reflects a little bit on his 25-year journey and examines the current challenges facing music, from economic barriers to the impact of technology and AI. He discusses the importance of grassroots venues, the role of music in our lives, and the potential for both dystopian and utopian futures. Along the way, he plans on speaking with industry experts, musicians, and pioneers to uncover insights and envision solutions for a sustainable and vibrant music ecosystem. Join this open research project to explore how we can shape a better future for music.</p><p>This was an unscripted ramble, so <a href="https://www.drownedinsound.org/what-would-bowie-do-embrace-discomfort-in-2025/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">you can read a little more in our recent newsletter</a>.<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_YOhbHnpj0&amp;t=0s" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:00</a> Introduction: The Big Question for 2025<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_YOhbHnpj0&amp;t=35s" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">00:35</a> Reflecting on 25 Years of Drowned in Sound<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_YOhbHnpj0&amp;t=127s" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">02:07</a> Challenges Facing the Music Industry<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_YOhbHnpj0&amp;t=262s" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">04:22</a> Exploring Solutions and Innovations<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_YOhbHnpj0&amp;t=413s" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">06:53</a> The Future of Music: Utopia or Dystopia?<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_YOhbHnpj0&amp;t=516s" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">08:36</a> Join the Journey: Open Research Project</p>
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7 months ago
10 minutes 32 seconds

Drowned in Sound
How does music get discovered? Favourite venues? Brexit? - Q&A Special: Part 2
<p>In part two of this Q&amp;A experiment, Drowned in Sound founder Sean Adams delves into various topics, including the process of discovering new music, the complexities of the music industry, and nostalgic reflections on MySpace and defunct London music venues. </p> <p>He also touches on the importance of human connection in music curation, potential improvements for music streaming platforms, and the socio-political challenges affecting the UK's music industry post-Brexit. Additionally, Sean reflects on memorable interviews.</p> <p>Thank you to everyone for your questions, please submit any for the next edition to sean@drownedinsound.org and be sure to subscribe to the newsletter at <a href="http://drownedinsound.org" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">drownedinsound.org</a> </p>
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8 months ago
21 minutes 58 seconds

Drowned in Sound
This weekly podcast explores how culture, politics, and the climate crisis are reshaping music. From AI and activism to festival futures and the collapse of local scenes, we treat music as an ecosystem, not just entertainment. Guests include artists, changemakers, and organisers reimagining what music can be. Subscribe and join the conversation. Hosted by Sean Adams, founder of Drowned in Sound