In this engaging conversation, Sam Anderson and Tamany, an intellectual property attorney, discuss the importance of IP law for startups, the challenges of navigating legal issues in the beverage industry, and the value of having a trusted attorney. They explore the concept of being 'stuck' in one's career, the significance of building a moat around a brand, and the potential consequences of ignoring IP law. Tamany shares insights on trademark registration, the role of trade dress, and the challenges of starting her own law firm. The discussion emphasizes the need for entrepreneurs to seek legal advice early and to develop a solid IP strategy to protect their brands.